RE: Problems with root on network clients

2000-11-27 Thread Alex Swavely
many cases these days. Put a padlock on the tab and nobody gonna open that thing without a bit of hassle. -Original Message- From: Alex Pires de Camargo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 2:08 AM To: debian-security@lists.debian.org Subject: Problems with root on ne

RE: Problems with root on network clients

2000-11-27 Thread Alex Swavely
many cases these days. Put a padlock on the tab and nobody gonna open that thing without a bit of hassle. -Original Message- From: Alex Pires de Camargo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 2:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Problems with root on network cl

Re: Problems with root on network clients

2000-11-27 Thread Giacomo Mulas
Just a suggestion: install free s-wan (ipsec) in the computers in your network, which will take care of securing the underlying IP connection, and then run whatever you want on top of it. IPSec is a bit intensive on CPU, but, if correctly implemented, is definitely secure. I remember somebo

Re: Problems with root on network clients

2000-11-27 Thread Giacomo Mulas
Just a suggestion: install free s-wan (ipsec) in the computers in your network, which will take care of securing the underlying IP connection, and then run whatever you want on top of it. IPSec is a bit intensive on CPU, but, if correctly implemented, is definitely secure. I remember someb

Re: Problems with root on network clients

2000-11-26 Thread Brad Allen
>they can always plug in a new IDE disk which they can boot from, have >root, mount NFS... they could also simply bring in a laptop, see I forgot about that. I ought to be retired and I'm not even employable. Arggh.

Re: Problems with root on network clients

2000-11-26 Thread Brad Allen
>they can always plug in a new IDE disk which they can boot from, have >root, mount NFS... they could also simply bring in a laptop, see I forgot about that. I ought to be retired and I'm not even employable. Arggh. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscr

Re: Problems with root on network clients

2000-11-26 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 01:08:14PM -0400, Brad Allen wrote: > erbenson> NFS is insecure, deal with it. > > Such as use something besides NFS that is secure; the options are thin > and immature, but you may still look around because I have a feeling > there may be a good match, if you're willing to

Re: Problems with root on network clients

2000-11-26 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 01:08:14PM -0400, Brad Allen wrote: > erbenson> NFS is insecure, deal with it. > > Such as use something besides NFS that is secure; the options are thin > and immature, but you may still look around because I have a feeling > there may be a good match, if you're willing t

Re: Problems with root on network clients

2000-11-25 Thread Carlos Carvalho
The solution to this is to NOT make the xterms mount the users' homes. This is both not necessary and a security breach. Use xdm on the server to control the xterm display. This way users don't need to run anything in the local machine, and the server does not export the filesystems. Some of our

Re: Problems with root on network clients

2000-11-25 Thread Carlos Carvalho
The solution to this is to NOT make the xterms mount the users' homes. This is both not necessary and a security breach. Use xdm on the server to control the xterm display. This way users don't need to run anything in the local machine, and the server does not export the filesystems. Some of our

Re: Problems with root on network clients

2000-11-25 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Ethan Benson | note that i don't fully understand how coda works, but the impression | i get is you need a very large ammount of LOCAL disk space to hold | coda's cache/offline storage. this to me defeats the purpose of a | network filesystem in a large number of cases (i have several machines

Re: Problems with root on network clients

2000-11-25 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Ethan Benson | note that i don't fully understand how coda works, but the impression | i get is you need a very large ammount of LOCAL disk space to hold | coda's cache/offline storage. this to me defeats the purpose of a | network filesystem in a large number of cases (i have several machine

Re: Problems with root on network clients

2000-11-25 Thread Ethan Benson
On Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 01:08:14PM -0400, Brad Allen wrote: > erbenson> NFS is insecure, deal with it. > > Such as use something besides NFS that is secure; the options are thin > and immature, but you may still look around because I have a feeling > there may be a good match, if you're willing to

Re: Problems with root on network clients

2000-11-25 Thread Ethan Benson
On Fri, Nov 24, 2000 at 01:08:14PM -0400, Brad Allen wrote: > erbenson> NFS is insecure, deal with it. > > Such as use something besides NFS that is secure; the options are thin > and immature, but you may still look around because I have a feeling > there may be a good match, if you're willing t

Re: Problems with root on network clients

2000-11-24 Thread Brad Allen
Except that sometimes NICs answer ping requests even while in reboot. Depends on the NIC. pgpe0Dku5fIUO.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Problems with root on network clients

2000-11-24 Thread Brad Allen
erbenson> NFS is insecure, deal with it. Such as use something besides NFS that is secure; the options are thin and immature, but you may still look around because I have a feeling there may be a good match, if you're willing to sacrafice admin time to the task. For instance, I'm curious if CODA

Re: Problems with root on network clients

2000-11-24 Thread Brad Allen
Except that sometimes NICs answer ping requests even while in reboot. Depends on the NIC. PGP signature

Re: Problems with root on network clients

2000-11-24 Thread Brad Allen
erbenson> NFS is insecure, deal with it. Such as use something besides NFS that is secure; the options are thin and immature, but you may still look around because I have a feeling there may be a good match, if you're willing to sacrafice admin time to the task. For instance, I'm curious if CODA

Re: Problems with root on network clients

2000-11-23 Thread Ted Cabeen
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Charles Goyard writes: >Alex Pires de Camargo a ?crit : >> I administer a network with server and clients Debian based, >> and would like to know if I can solve this problem. >> It's a little easy to an user open a PC, damage the batteries, >> boot with flo

Re: Problems with root on network clients

2000-11-23 Thread J-E.Schulz
... verify the recipient Luke before pressing the "send" button ;-) "J-E.Schulz" wrote: > > Hi, > > as long as the server machines resides in a _really_ > restricted area (e.g. a machine room which may by > physically accessed only by trusted staff members) > You may have the chance to securly d

Re: Problems with root on network clients

2000-11-23 Thread Ethan Benson
On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 02:39:54PM +0100, Philippe Barnetche wrote: > Hi, > > you can change the PAM attributes of "su", avoiding local root to get user > account access. Of course, if your /etc is local, you'll still have the > problem. that would be very weak, if root could write to anywhere

Re: Problems with root on network clients

2000-11-23 Thread Ted Cabeen
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Charles Goyard writes: >Alex Pires de Camargo a écrit : >> I administer a network with server and clients Debian based, >> and would like to know if I can solve this problem. >> It's a little easy to an user open a PC, damage the batteries, >> boot with fl

Re: Problems with root on network clients

2000-11-23 Thread J-E.Schulz
... verify the recipient Luke before pressing the "send" button ;-) "J-E.Schulz" wrote: > > Hi, > > as long as the server machines resides in a _really_ > restricted area (e.g. a machine room which may by > physically accessed only by trusted staff members) > You may have the chance to securly

Re: Problems with root on network clients

2000-11-23 Thread Philippe Barnetche
Hi, you can change the PAM attributes of "su", avoiding local root to get user account access. Of course, if your /etc is local, you'll still have the problem. Le jeu, 23 nov 2000, Alex Pires de Camargo a écrit : > Hi! > I administer a network with server and clients Debian based, > and w

Re: Problems with root on network clients

2000-11-23 Thread Ethan Benson
On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 02:39:54PM +0100, Philippe Barnetche wrote: > Hi, > > you can change the PAM attributes of "su", avoiding local root to get user > account access. Of course, if your /etc is local, you'll still have the > problem. that would be very weak, if root could write to anywhere

Re: Problems with root on network clients

2000-11-23 Thread Philippe Barnetche
Hi, you can change the PAM attributes of "su", avoiding local root to get user account access. Of course, if your /etc is local, you'll still have the problem. Le jeu, 23 nov 2000, Alex Pires de Camargo a écrit : > Hi! > I administer a network with server and clients Debian based, > and

Re: Problems with root on network clients

2000-11-23 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Alex Pires de Camargo | Is there anything I'm forgetting to make? On server I run | potato, nis (not nis+), nfs-kernel-server. There is a export-on-demand system, which makes the user authorized himself via kerberos before his home directory is exported. I don't remember the name, but I

Re: Problems with root on network clients

2000-11-23 Thread Charles Goyard
Alex Pires de Camargo a écrit : > Hi! > I administer a network with server and clients Debian based, > and would like to know if I can solve this problem. > It's a little easy to an user open a PC, damage the batteries, > boot with floppy and login as root in a client. But one thi

Problems with root on network clients

2000-11-23 Thread Alex Pires de Camargo
Hi! I administer a network with server and clients Debian based, and would like to know if I can solve this problem. It's a little easy to an user open a PC, damage the batteries, boot with floppy and login as root in a client. But one thing is undesirable. He can do su - a

Re: Problems with root on network clients

2000-11-23 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Alex Pires de Camargo | Is there anything I'm forgetting to make? On server I run | potato, nis (not nis+), nfs-kernel-server. There is a export-on-demand system, which makes the user authorized himself via kerberos before his home directory is exported. I don't remember the name, but

Re: Problems with root on network clients

2000-11-23 Thread Charles Goyard
Alex Pires de Camargo a écrit : > Hi! > I administer a network with server and clients Debian based, > and would like to know if I can solve this problem. > It's a little easy to an user open a PC, damage the batteries, > boot with floppy and login as root in a client. But one th

Problems with root on network clients

2000-11-23 Thread Alex Pires de Camargo
Hi! I administer a network with server and clients Debian based, and would like to know if I can solve this problem. It's a little easy to an user open a PC, damage the batteries, boot with floppy and login as root in a client. But one thing is undesirable. He can do su -