Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-03 Thread Phillip Hofmeister
All, Thanks for the great response to this thread. I knew (at the time I posted) such tactic (if not properly implemented/configured) could lead to a denial of service attack, but I appreciate those who took the time to point that out for everyone. -- Phillip Hofmeister PGP/GPG Key: http://www

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-03 Thread Phillip Hofmeister
All, Thanks for the great response to this thread. I knew (at the time I posted) such tactic (if not properly implemented/configured) could lead to a denial of service attack, but I appreciate those who took the time to point that out for everyone. -- Phillip Hofmeister PGP/GPG Key: http://www

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-03 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 04:42:05PM +0200, Lucio wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > (..) > Project Descriptive Name: Astu mdids > > Project UNIX Name: astu > > Project Description: Multiplatform distributed intrusion detection system You are aware, of course, that you are

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-03 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 04:42:05PM +0200, Lucio wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > (..) > Project Descriptive Name: Astu mdids > > Project UNIX Name: astu > > Project Description: Multiplatform distributed intrusion detection system You are aware, of course, that you are

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-02 Thread Tomasz Papszun
On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 at 15:13:00 -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 05:57:27PM +0200, Tomasz Papszun wrote: > > > On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 at 22:39:15 -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > Not really a good idea. Consider what happens when someone forges the IP > > > addresses. > > >

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-02 Thread Tomasz Papszun
On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 at 15:13:00 -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 05:57:27PM +0200, Tomasz Papszun wrote: > > > On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 at 22:39:15 -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > Not really a good idea. Consider what happens when someone forges the IP > > > addresses. > > >

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-02 Thread Dale Amon
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 06:39:51PM +0200, Thomas Ritter wrote: > If you want to start your own project, you'll have to guarantee _you_ can > always login. Also, with dynamic IPs those rules should be outdated after > some time. That's one of the key issues. Many attacks come from dial up blocks

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-02 Thread Dale Amon
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 06:39:51PM +0200, Thomas Ritter wrote: > If you want to start your own project, you'll have to guarantee _you_ can > always login. Also, with dynamic IPs those rules should be outdated after > some time. That's one of the key issues. Many attacks come from dial up blocks

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 05:57:27PM +0200, Tomasz Papszun wrote: > On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 at 22:39:15 -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > Not really a good idea. Consider what happens when someone forges the IP > > addresses. > > One can predefine trusted or other very important IP addresses which > ca

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 05:57:27PM +0200, Tomasz Papszun wrote: > On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 at 22:39:15 -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > Not really a good idea. Consider what happens when someone forges the IP > > addresses. > > One can predefine trusted or other very important IP addresses which > ca

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread nicole
At 22:39 on Jun 30, Matt Zimmerman shook the earth with: > On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 06:38:33PM -0400, Phillip Hofmeister wrote: > > > Are there any projects out there to do this right now. If not, is this > > a good idea? If it is who would be a person/group that would be > > qualified and have

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Thomas Ritter
> A daemon sits running in the background listening to a special device > Are there any projects out there to do this right now. If not, is this > a good idea? If it is who would be a person/group that would be > qualified and have the time/interest to develop it. Abacus Portsentry binds itself

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Thomas Bechtold
Look snort 2.0.0 [1] It's an Intrusion Detection System. Theres an Preprozessor for Snort called 'Guardian'[2] to do things like you want. But read the other answers in this thread carefully! Thomas Bechtold [1] http://snort.org [2] http://www.chaotic.org/guardian/ On Tuesday 01 July 2003 00:

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Luis Gomez - InfoEmergencias
On Martes, 1 de Julio de 2003 04:39, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 06:38:33PM -0400, Phillip Hofmeister wrote: > > A daemon sits running in the background listening to a special device > > (/dev) or an IPC which would originate from syslog-ng. This daemon > > would then parse the

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread nicole
At 22:39 on Jun 30, Matt Zimmerman shook the earth with: > On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 06:38:33PM -0400, Phillip Hofmeister wrote: > > > Are there any projects out there to do this right now. If not, is this > > a good idea? If it is who would be a person/group that would be > > qualified and have

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Thomas Ritter
> A daemon sits running in the background listening to a special device > Are there any projects out there to do this right now. If not, is this > a good idea? If it is who would be a person/group that would be > qualified and have the time/interest to develop it. Abacus Portsentry binds itself

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Thomas Bechtold
Look snort 2.0.0 [1] It's an Intrusion Detection System. Theres an Preprozessor for Snort called 'Guardian'[2] to do things like you want. But read the other answers in this thread carefully! Thomas Bechtold [1] http://snort.org [2] http://www.chaotic.org/guardian/ On Tuesday 01 July 2003 00:

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Tomasz Papszun
On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 at 22:39:15 -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 06:38:33PM -0400, Phillip Hofmeister wrote: > > > A daemon sits running in the background listening to a special device > > (/dev) or an IPC which would originate from syslog-ng. This daemon > > would then pars

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Luis Gomez - InfoEmergencias
On Martes, 1 de Julio de 2003 04:39, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 06:38:33PM -0400, Phillip Hofmeister wrote: > > A daemon sits running in the background listening to a special device > > (/dev) or an IPC which would originate from syslog-ng. This daemon > > would then parse the

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Lucio
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Volker Tanger said: > ...which is the official license to shoot yourself into the foot. What > happens if I send you a forged, suspicious packet with source-IP equal > to the IP address of your gateway router, your DNS server, your internal > system(s

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Christoph Haas
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 10:22:33AM +0200, Volker Tanger wrote: > ...which is the official license to shoot yourself into the foot. What > happens if I send you a forged, suspicious packet with source-IP equal > to the IP address of your gateway router, your DNS server, your internal > system(s), ..

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Tomasz Papszun
On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 at 22:39:15 -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 06:38:33PM -0400, Phillip Hofmeister wrote: > > > A daemon sits running in the background listening to a special device > > (/dev) or an IPC which would originate from syslog-ng. This daemon > > would then pars

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Jordan Lederman
Check out psad, which is similar to what you want (and I use it)... You can see psad at http://www.cipherdyne.com/psad/, which is somehow related to Bastille Linux http://www.bastille-linux.org/. Or just apt-get install psad. --jordan On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 06:38:33PM -0400, Philli

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Lars Ellenberg
On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 06:38:33PM -0400, Phillip Hofmeister wrote: > A daemon sits running in the background listening to a special device > (/dev) or an IPC which would originate from syslog-ng. This daemon > would then parse the log and look for suspicious things. If it found > something suspi

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Thomas Bechtold
Hi, There is an Intrusion Detection System(IDS) named Snort (http://www.snort.org) There you can log to syslog, database, tcpdump-file,... And there are some Preprozessors which can block 'bad' Traffic. Snort can do much more. Read the FAQ http://www.snort.org/docs/FAQ.txt Thomas Bechtold On Tue

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Lucio
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Volker Tanger said: > ...which is the official license to shoot yourself into the foot. What > happens if I send you a forged, suspicious packet with source-IP equal > to the IP address of your gateway router, your DNS server, your internal > system(s

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Christoph Haas
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 10:22:33AM +0200, Volker Tanger wrote: > ...which is the official license to shoot yourself into the foot. What > happens if I send you a forged, suspicious packet with source-IP equal > to the IP address of your gateway router, your DNS server, your internal > system(s), ..

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 06:38:33PM -0400, Phillip Hofmeister wrote: > A daemon sits running in the background listening to a special device > (/dev) or an IPC which would originate from syslog-ng. This daemon > would then parse the log and look for suspicious things. If it found > something susp

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Jordan Lederman
Check out psad, which is similar to what you want (and I use it)... You can see psad at http://www.cipherdyne.com/psad/, which is somehow related to Bastille Linux http://www.bastille-linux.org/. Or just apt-get install psad. --jordan On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 06:38:33PM -0400, Philli

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Lars Ellenberg
On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 06:38:33PM -0400, Phillip Hofmeister wrote: > A daemon sits running in the background listening to a special device > (/dev) or an IPC which would originate from syslog-ng. This daemon > would then parse the log and look for suspicious things. If it found > something suspi

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Thomas Bechtold
Hi, There is an Intrusion Detection System(IDS) named Snort (http://www.snort.org) There you can log to syslog, database, tcpdump-file,... And there are some Preprozessors which can block 'bad' Traffic. Snort can do much more. Read the FAQ http://www.snort.org/docs/FAQ.txt Thomas Bechtold On Tue

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 06:38:33PM -0400, Phillip Hofmeister wrote: > A daemon sits running in the background listening to a special device > (/dev) or an IPC which would originate from syslog-ng. This daemon > would then parse the log and look for suspicious things. If it found > something susp

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Volker Tanger
Greetings! On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:38:33 -0400 Phillip Hofmeister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This daemon > would then parse the log and look for suspicious things. If it found > something suspicious it would use regular expression to grab out > pertinent parts of the log (say the IP address) an

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Volker Tanger
Greetings! On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:38:33 -0400 Phillip Hofmeister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This daemon > would then parse the log and look for suspicious things. If it found > something suspicious it would use regular expression to grab out > pertinent parts of the log (say the IP address) an

OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-06-30 Thread Phillip Hofmeister
Greets all, A previous post spawned an idea of mine. I am not sure if there is a project available for this or not. Here we go: A daemon sits running in the background listening to a special device (/dev) or an IPC which would originate from syslog-ng. This daemon would then parse the log and

OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-06-30 Thread Phillip Hofmeister
Greets all, A previous post spawned an idea of mine. I am not sure if there is a project available for this or not. Here we go: A daemon sits running in the background listening to a special device (/dev) or an IPC which would originate from syslog-ng. This daemon would then parse the log and