Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith likely

2014-03-02 Thread yaro
On Sunday, March 02, 2014 09:10:44 PM Joel Rees wrote: > On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 10:00 AM, wrote: > > On Sunday, March 02, 2014 09:20:44 AM Joel Rees wrote: > >> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 8:43 AM, wrote: > >> > On Sunday, March 02, 2014 12:00:41 AM Volker Birk wrote: > >> >> On Sat, Mar 01, 2014 at

Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith likely

2014-03-02 Thread yaro
On Sunday, March 02, 2014 10:53:51 AM Jack wrote: > On 02/03/2014 05:11, Eric Newcomb wrote: > > Technical issues aside, I went through the list of members of the > > tech-ctte, found here: https://www.debian.org/intro/organization. I > > searched each name on the list on Google, and I can't honest

Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith likely

2014-03-02 Thread Jack
On 02/03/2014 14:16, Daniel Sousa wrote: > I am also only a Debian user and I don't know much about the matter, > but if I understand correctly systemd is a drop in replacement for > sysV, which has a lot more functionalities but works fine with sysV > initscrits. It apparently doesn't work wit

Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith likely

2014-03-02 Thread Eric Newcomb
Thanks, Jack. I like having as much information as I can get, and your post was very informative. As a Debian user (not developer), I find init files way too complicated and limited in their capabilities. Systemd is a tremendous improvement. I have no doubt that it has its flaws, but I think its w

Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith likely

2014-03-02 Thread Sergey Kirpichev
Hello, On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 2:17 AM, Leslie S Satenstein wrote: > Relax, take a deep breath, and setup a comparison matrix. You know, column > 1 is sys V, and column 2 is SystemD. Look at throughput, support > population, maintenance, impact of multi-processors, and whatever criteria > you

Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith likely

2014-03-02 Thread Daniel Sousa
On 2 March 2014 10:53:51 WET, Jack wrote: >Systemd scares me. As far as I can see it does a lot of things right >(in >some cases these are things that no other contender does right); I'm >not >going to try to enumerate those things, that's been one elsewhere. But >the way systemd has been designed

Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith likely

2014-03-02 Thread Leslie S Satenstein
Hi Jack I read your response below, and found it very informative. As I responded to the original posting, anger is not going to get the message through. I am far from a Linux expert, I am an end-user, a programmer in C.  You brought up some important considerations...   Sys V has its shortcom

Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith likely

2014-03-02 Thread Sam Kuper
On 02/03/2014, Jack wrote: > First off, I'm not a Debian Developer. The way Debian is constituted, > it's ultimately up to DDs to decide what direction Debian takes (so I > understand). So my remarks below should be read in the light of the fact > I'm not a DD, just a user - I don't speak ith any

Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith likely

2014-03-02 Thread Joel Rees
On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 10:00 AM, wrote: > On Sunday, March 02, 2014 09:20:44 AM Joel Rees wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 8:43 AM, wrote: >> > On Sunday, March 02, 2014 12:00:41 AM Volker Birk wrote: >> >> On Sat, Mar 01, 2014 at 02:17:05PM -0800, Leslie S Satenstein wrote: >> >> > I am a casu

Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith likely

2014-03-02 Thread Jack
On 02/03/2014 05:11, Eric Newcomb wrote: > Technical issues aside, I went through the list of members of the > tech-ctte, found here: https://www.debian.org/intro/organization. I > searched each name on the list on Google, and I can't honestly find > any evidence that the committee is "stacked"