Re: Why not have firewall rules by default?

2008-01-23 Thread Russ Allbery
Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The daemon might have been installed by a package dependency, more or > less by accident. Debian should have a policy that all daemons bind to > the loopback interface by default, but as long as this is not the case, > I can understand why people put p

Re: Why not have firewall rules by default?

2008-01-23 Thread Maximilian Wilhelm
Am Wednesday, den 23 January hub Florian Weimer folgendes in die Tasten: > * Ondrej Zajicek: > >> You could also have an 'ENABLED' variable like some files in > >> /etc/default have (so that ports wouldn't be opened by default; the > >> user would have to manually enable them for the port to be o

Re: Why not have firewall rules by default?

2008-01-23 Thread James Shupe
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I believe Debian's method of handling iptables is perfect. if-up.d and its counterparts provide a great means for scripting complex firewall sets. For example, I have written a perl script that parses a custom config file that defines certain IPs and

Re: Why not have firewall rules by default?

2008-01-23 Thread Florian Weimer
* Ondrej Zajicek: >> You could also have an 'ENABLED' variable like some files in >> /etc/default have (so that ports wouldn't be opened by default; the >> user would have to manually enable them for the port to be opened). > > Better way is just not start that daemon. The daemon might have been

Re: Why not have firewall rules by default?

2008-01-23 Thread Riku Valli
William Twomey wrote: It's my understanding (and experience) that a Debian system by default is vulnerable to SYN flooding (at least when running services) and other such mischeif. I was curious as to why tcp_syncookies (and similar things) are not enabled by default. Sorry forgot that. Submi

Re: Why not have firewall rules by default?

2008-01-23 Thread Riku Valli
William Twomey wrote: If this is needed/wanted to Debian, no problems, but remember obscure isn't security. With fwbuilder, lokkit (Gnome), kmyfirewall (kde) etc is very easy made and maintain firewall/s at Linux and all of these are regular Debian packages. That is true at there should be mo

Re: Why not have firewall rules by default?

2008-01-23 Thread Rolf Kutz
On 23/01/08 18:48 +0200, Riku Valli wrote: Debian haven't any open services by default, except portmapper and behind portmapper aren't any services. So no need for host firewall. Ack. I didn't want to argue pro a default firewall. regards, Rolf -- ...about the greatest democrazy in the world

Re: Why not have firewall rules by default?

2008-01-23 Thread William Twomey
If this is needed/wanted to Debian, no problems, but remember obscure isn't security. With fwbuilder, lokkit (Gnome), kmyfirewall (kde) etc is very easy made and maintain firewall/s at Linux and all of these are regular Debian packages. That is true at there should be more information about f

Re: Why not have firewall rules by default?

2008-01-23 Thread Riku Valli
William Twomey wrote: Debian haven't any open services by default, except portmapper and behind portmapper aren't any services. So no need for host firewall. But isn't it reasonable to assume that most people will be installing services? Even a desktop user is likely to enable SSH and maybe ev

Re: Why not have firewall rules by default?

2008-01-23 Thread Vincent Deffontaines
Michael Loftis wrote: [snip] It's better to leave the service disabled, or even better, completely uninstalled from a security standpoint, and from a DoS standpoint as well. The Linux kernel isn't very efficient at processing firewall rules. Newer kernels might be though (I honestly haven't lo

Re: Why not have firewall rules by default?

2008-01-23 Thread Ondrej Zajicek
On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 09:19:01AM -0600, William Twomey wrote: > One solution could be to have a folder called /etc/security/iptables > that contains files that get passed to iptables at startup (in the same > way /etc/rc2.d gets read in numeric order). So you could have files like > 22ssh, 23f

Re: Why not have firewall rules by default?

2008-01-23 Thread Riku Valli
Rolf Kutz wrote: On 23/01/08 08:29 -0700, Michael Loftis wrote: It's better to leave the service disabled, or even better, completely uninstalled from a security standpoint, and from a DoS standpoint as well. The Linux kernel isn't very efficient at processing firewall rules. Newer I tho

Re: Why not have firewall rules by default?

2008-01-23 Thread maximilian attems
On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 08:29:25AM -0700, Michael Loftis wrote: > > It's better to leave the service disabled, or even better, completely > uninstalled from a security standpoint, and from a DoS standpoint as well. > The Linux kernel isn't very efficient at processing firewall rules. Newer > k

Re: Why not have firewall rules by default?

2008-01-23 Thread Rolf Kutz
On 23/01/08 08:29 -0700, Michael Loftis wrote: It's better to leave the service disabled, or even better, completely uninstalled from a security standpoint, and from a DoS standpoint as well. The Linux kernel isn't very efficient at processing firewall rules. Newer I thought it was very ef

Re: Why not have firewall rules by default?

2008-01-23 Thread Michael Loftis
--On January 23, 2008 9:19:01 AM -0600 William Twomey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It's my understanding (and experience) that a Debian system by default is vulnerable to SYN flooding (at least when running services) and other such mischeif. I was curious as to why tcp_syncookies (and similar

Re: Why not have firewall rules by default?

2008-01-23 Thread Thomas Damgaard
On Jan 23, 2008 4:19 PM, William Twomey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One solution could be to have a folder called /etc/security/iptables > that contains files that get passed to iptables at startup (in the same > way /etc/rc2.d gets read in numeric order). So you could have files like > 22ssh, 23f

Why not have firewall rules by default?

2008-01-23 Thread William Twomey
It's my understanding (and experience) that a Debian system by default is vulnerable to SYN flooding (at least when running services) and other such mischeif. I was curious as to why tcp_syncookies (and similar things) are not enabled by default. Many distros (RPM-based mostly from my experien