Re: apt 0.6 and how it does *not* solve the problem

2004-08-23 Thread Jan Niehusmann
On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 01:03:54AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > So if I wanted to attack 80% of all Debian machines all over the > world, I would try to compromise one of the 1000 keys, thereby > getting write access to the incoming queue. Then, I could NMU > a package and upload a trojaned vers

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2004-08-23 Thread general
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Re: apt 0.6 and how it does *not* solve the problem

2004-08-23 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I think, adding package signatures will actually make Debian less > > > secure than it was before, although it's doubtful that the average > > > user will notice or care. > > > > How can it make it less secure? > > It gives the users a false sens

Re: apt 0.6 and how it does *not* solve the problem

2004-08-23 Thread Florian Weimer
* martin f. krafft: > I've been giving APT 0.6 a lot of thought lately and have come to > the conclusion that it is a whole lot of snake oil in the context of > the Debian project as we have it. Bear with me for a second... I am > not about to take the piss out of the APT 0.6 people, who have done

Re: apt 0.6 and how it does *not* solve the problem

2004-08-23 Thread Geoff
martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Geoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.08.23.0134 +0200]: Is it possible on a gpg key server to mark a key as invalid, with out access to the private key? Yes, by removing it from the keyring. The question is how one would continuously QA the developers... and how

Re: Official security support for sarge

2004-08-23 Thread Sven Hoexter
On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 11:42:04AM -0500, Micah Anderson wrote: > I have seen that also, but that doesn't help me understand if there is > official security support for sarge yet or not? http://www.infodrom.org/~joey/log/?200408230851 HTH Sven -- It ain't so bad bein' alone if you know it'll neve

Re: apt 0.6 and how it does *not* solve the problem

2004-08-23 Thread Florian Weimer
* Jan Niehusmann: > While you have a point that the huge number of people with full write > access to the archive is a problem, I still think that apt 0.6 serves a > purpose: It makes local mirrors more secure. I fully agree, and that's certainly an important step. Mirrors are often used for mul

Re: get notice of sec update if package is on hold

2004-08-23 Thread PaulNM
Just a note: I have 149 emails in my deb-sec-announce folder. The earliest is dated 12/30/2003, and the latest is 8/18/2004. Security announce is NOT a high volume list, if that's your concern. PaulNM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contac

Re: get notice of sec update if package is on hold

2004-08-23 Thread Thomas Stemler
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004, s. keeling wrote: > Incoming from Timo Veith: > > > > if I have a package on hold for some reason AND I would not read > > debian-security-announce, how could I get to know whether there is a > > secur[it]y update for that package ? > > i) Subscribe to debian-security-announ

Re: apt 0.6 and how it does *not* solve the problem

2004-08-23 Thread Jan Niehusmann
On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 01:03:54AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > Debian did not have package signatures for years, and it's been > rarely a problem. Now we are going to add them, but the sole effect > is that of a false security feeling. To me, APT 0.6 is snake oil, > which is *not* an offence to

Re: get notice of sec update if package is on hold

2004-08-23 Thread s. keeling
Incoming from Timo Veith: > > if I have a package on hold for some reason AND I would not read > debian-security-announce, how could I get to know whether there is a > secur[it]y update for that package ? i) Subscribe to debian-security-announce !?! ii) Go to lists.debian.org and

get notice of sec update if package is on hold

2004-08-23 Thread Timo Veith
Hi list, if I have a package on hold for some reason AND I would not read debian-security-announce, how could I get to know whether there is a secury update for that package ? TIA Timo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PRO

Re: apt 0.6 and how it does *not* solve the problem

2004-08-23 Thread martin f krafft
Thanks for all the input so far! also sprach Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.08.23.0121 +0200]: > I think this is a real problem. I would quibble with your > estimate of its likelihood, but that doesn't really matter. (And > I don't know what "incredulously high" means--check your