urgent request please

2003-06-05 Thread keneth . madembe
Sir/madam, I need your help,I am KENETH MADAMBE, the son of a Late minister during the reign of mobutu seseko, I came to know you in the course of my search for a reliable and God fearing partner and I decide to contact you because I believe you are a reputable person and I felt you ca

Re: Keeping files away from users

2003-06-05 Thread Thomas Ritter
Am Donnerstag, 5. Juni 2003 09:30 schrieb Luis Gomez - InfoEmergencias: > We'd like to protect that content, so that even if someone unplugs the > machine and connects the HD to another Linux box, they can't access that > information. Of course it's difficult to do, but we think there might be a >

Re: kernel-source 2.4.20 + grsecurity + freeswan

2003-06-05 Thread Hubert Chan
> "Vinai" == Vinai Kopp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] Vinai> There seem to be problems using both the grsecurity and the Vinai> freeswan patches (at least I haven't been successfull applying Vinai> the patches - I tried the debian versions and the "official" ones Vinai> from the different

Re: Keeping files away from users

2003-06-05 Thread Adam ENDRODI
On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 10:44:47AM +0200, Lars Ellenberg wrote: > > or keep an encrypted copy of all relevant files separately, and on > bootup / service startup you decrypt it temporarily to the correct > location, start the service, and unlink it again (after you wiped it > with garbage, of cour

Re: kernel-source 2.4.20 + grsecurity + freeswan

2003-06-05 Thread Peter Hicks
On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 10:32:59PM +0200, Vinai Kopp wrote: >Hi, > >currently I'm setting up a gateway machine for a small office >network. After the recent threads about rooted woody boxes I feel it >would be iresponsible to set up a box without a grsecurity patched >kernel. >The problem is I als

Re: Keeping files away from users

2003-06-05 Thread Marcel Weber
Luis Gomez - InfoEmergencias wrote: We're already looking at that (btw, IIRC loop-aes is included into the cryptoapi of kerneli.org). The problem is what Dariush points: if your machine has the pass to mount the filesystem, someone can put the HD in another machine, remove the root password, pu

Re: Keeping files away from users

2003-06-05 Thread Lars Ellenberg
On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 09:30:51AM +0200, Luis Gomez - InfoEmergencias wrote: > We'd like to protect that content, so that even if someone unplugs the machine > and connects the HD to another Linux box, they can't access that information. > Of course it's difficult to do, but we think there might

Re: Keeping files away from users

2003-06-05 Thread Dariush Pietrzak
> accesses the HD can do it as well. btw, what does SOL mean? So Out of Luck? -- Dariush Pietrzak, She swore and she cursed, that she never would deceive me Key fingerprint = 40D0 9FFB 9939 7320 8294 05E0 BCC7 02C4 75CC 50D9 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "uns

Re: Keeping files away from users

2003-06-05 Thread Luis Gomez - InfoEmergencias
On Jueves, 5 de Junio de 2003 10:02, Dariush Pietrzak wrote: > > We'd like to protect that content, so that even if someone unplugs the > > machine and connects the HD to another Linux box, they can't access that > > information. > > Hm? Maybe you need encrypted filesystem, something like cfs? > W

Re: Keeping files away from users

2003-06-05 Thread Luis Gomez - InfoEmergencias
On Jueves, 5 de Junio de 2003 10:19, Adam ENDRODI wrote: > On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 09:30:51AM +0200, Luis Gomez - InfoEmergencias wrote: > > We'd like to protect that content, so that even if someone unplugs the > > machine and connects the HD to another Linux box, they can't access that > > infor

Re: Keeping files away from users

2003-06-05 Thread Adam ENDRODI
On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 09:30:51AM +0200, Luis Gomez - InfoEmergencias wrote: > > We'd like to protect that content, so that even if someone unplugs the machine > and connects the HD to another Linux box, they can't access that information. Default answer: encrypt your file system. http://www.k

Re: Keeping files away from users

2003-06-05 Thread Dariush Pietrzak
> We'd like to protect that content, so that even if someone unplugs the machine > and connects the HD to another Linux box, they can't access that information. Hm? Maybe you need encrypted filesystem, something like cfs? With schemes like this there are problems - you need to provide some kind

Re: Keeping files away from users - THANKS!!

2003-06-05 Thread Geoff Crompton
On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 08:58:43PM +0200, Luis Gomez - InfoEmergencias wrote: > Other interesting things to look at: > > - LICENSING ISSUES. As Peter Cordes commented, the kernel is GPL so if we > integrate code into it, we cannot provide a binary-only version, we should > also give away the sou

Keeping files away from users

2003-06-05 Thread Luis Gomez - InfoEmergencias
Hello world... In my company, we've been working for some months in what I consider a rather interesting product... but well, this mail is not spam ;) Seriously, the fact is this: we are going to install Linux servers in some companies, in order to serve mail, files, databases... We have develo

Re: question squid + firewall + http server inside firewall

2003-06-05 Thread Filippi Marco
My idea: connection coming from inside network to the firewall going to the web server are not considered by the rules > >>$PROG -t nat -A PREROUTING -i $NIC_EXTERNAL -p tcp \ > >> -s 0/0 --dport http \ > >> -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.2:80 > >>$PROG -t mangle -A FORWARD -i

RE: question squid + firewall + http server inside firewall

2003-06-05 Thread Michael Sharman
> -Original Message- > From: Hanasaki JiJi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, 5 June 2003 4:17 PM > To: List - Debian Security > Subject: Re: question squid + firewall + http server inside firewall > > > Michael, > > unfortunately, that didnt work. Your logic makes sense. > B

Re: kernel-source 2.4.20 + grsecurity + freeswan

2003-06-05 Thread Marc-Christian Petersen
On Thursday 05 June 2003 22:32, Vinai Kopp wrote: Hi Vinai, > There seem to be problems using both the grsecurity and the freeswan > patches (at least I haven't been successfull applying the patches - I > tried the debian versions and the "official" ones from the different > project sites of the

Re: question squid + firewall + http server inside firewall

2003-06-05 Thread Hanasaki JiJi
Michael, unfortunately, that didnt work. Your logic makes sense. Below is the output of the relavant lines: iptables -L -t nat any other ideas would be great! SNAT tcp -- 192.168.1.0/24 [internalhost] tcp dpt:www to:65.30.34.80 Michael Sharman wrote: -Original Message- From: Hanasaki

Re: Scanning with reverse connections?

2003-06-05 Thread Noah Meyerhans
On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 10:02:53PM +0200, Christoph Haas wrote: > So most probably you see just the second. That's the way TCP works. > Sequential port numbers may show up because the counter of used > high-ports (1024 ff.) is just increased. No, it's not at all uncommon to see incoming traffic fr

RE: question squid + firewall + http server inside firewall

2003-06-05 Thread Michael Sharman
> -Original Message- > From: Hanasaki JiJi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, 5 June 2003 2:42 PM > To: List - Debian Security > Subject: question squid + firewall + http server inside firewall > > > I have the below rules in my firewall. the http server is inside the > firewal

kernel-source 2.4.20 + grsecurity + freeswan

2003-06-05 Thread Vinai Kopp
Hi, currently I'm setting up a gateway machine for a small office network. After the recent threads about rooted woody boxes I feel it would be iresponsible to set up a box without a grsecurity patched kernel. The problem is I also need the box to be a VPN gateway. One of the reasons I got the d

Re: Scanning with reverse connections?

2003-06-05 Thread Blars Blarson
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >I've noticed some strange traffic on our firewalls recently. Someone (Or >multiple someones) are attempting to send tcp packets inbound to our >network FROM well known ports (e.g. port 80) Some firewalls that don't do proper connection

Re: Scanning with reverse connections?

2003-06-05 Thread Christoph Haas
On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 08:29:10PM +0100, Hamish Marson wrote: > I've noticed some strange traffic on our firewalls recently. Someone (Or > multiple someones) are attempting to send tcp packets inbound to our > network FROM well known ports (e.g. port 80) to multiple port numbers, > and usually

question squid + firewall + http server inside firewall

2003-06-05 Thread Hanasaki JiJi
I have the below rules in my firewall. the http server is inside the firewall on 192.168.1.2:80 people can hit it fine from the outside squid is running on the firewall inside can browser ouside via squid just fine inside cannot browse the outside address Any thought/input would be apprecia

Scanning with reverse connections?

2003-06-05 Thread Hamish Marson
I've noticed some strange traffic on our firewalls recently. Someone (Or multiple someones) are attempting to send tcp packets inbound to our network FROM well known ports (e.g. port 80) to multiple port numbers, and usually multiple addresses as well. Sometimes they are randomised, (Port and

Re: Keeping files away from users

2003-06-05 Thread Jaroslaw Tabor
W liście z czw, 05-06-2003, godz. 07:30, Luis Gomez - InfoEmergencias pisze: Hello! > We'd like to protect that content, so that even if someone unplugs the > machine > and connects the HD to another Linux box, they can't access that information. > Of course it's difficult to do, but we think

Re: Keeping files away from users - THANKS!!

2003-06-05 Thread Luis Gomez - InfoEmergencias
Good evening (here in Spain) to all of you. I want to sincerely thank you all for the great feedback received on this topic. I would never have expected to receive some 20 answers in such a short time! Let me take my time to write your names, because you deserve it: Thank you Dariush, Adam, Marc

Re: Keeping files away from users

2003-06-05 Thread Koba
On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:15:45 -0300, Peter Cordes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If the attacker runs it under an x86 emulator like bochs, they don't need to sniff the network, just look at memory after it's decrypted. Also, what I suggested was an attempt to avoid dependence on a network. I'd be

Re: Keeping files away from users

2003-06-05 Thread Peter Cordes
On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 12:53:43PM -0300, Koba wrote: > Think about this: > Use a encrypted loopback. To get the key without storing it on > the computer: > Get some kind of unique combined fingerprint of the computer and hd > through a c/c++ programmed algorithm and sendi

Re: Keeping files away from users

2003-06-05 Thread Marcel Weber
Harry Brueckner wrote: On the other hand - what will you do if your server gets a hardware problem and you have to replace/expand the system with a new NIC, add another CPU, exchange anything in the box. So after a simple hardware problem all your own data is lost as well, even if the harddri

Re: Keeping files away from users

2003-06-05 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Thursday 05 June 2003 17:16, Peter Cordes wrote: > kernel. (Even if you put the password in the kernel, you want to hide the > initrd, because it will have mount(8) getting a password from /proc/sekret, > or something.) Use some sort of encrypted filesystem on the hard drive. When you're hac

Re: Keeping files away from users

2003-06-05 Thread Marcel Weber
Harry Brueckner wrote: Hey there, Making the encryption key hardware dependent would make it a hard job to decrypt the harddrive in another computer... On the other hand - what will you do if your server gets a hardware problem and you have to replace/expand the system with a new NIC, add

Re: Keeping files away from users

2003-06-05 Thread Koba
Think about this: Use a encrypted loopback. To get the key without storing it on the computer: Get some kind of unique combined fingerprint of the computer and hd through a c/c++ programmed algorithm and sending them to a secure "password" server using some kind of (variable server provided

Re: Keeping files away from users

2003-06-05 Thread Harry Brueckner
Hey there, --On Thursday, June 05, 2003 11:14:36 AM +0200 Marcel Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Luis Gomez - InfoEmergencias wrote: We're already looking at that (btw, IIRC loop-aes is included into the cryptoapi of kerneli.org). The problem is what Dariush points: if your machine has the

Re: Keeping files away from users

2003-06-05 Thread Ross
> Against a sophisticated attacker, it's totally impossible to do what you > want. They could run bochs an boot the x86 emulator from the new hard > drive, and examine the contents of the system's memory whenever they wanted. > Obviously, that's not easy, since you have to figure out where the >

Re: Keeping files away from users

2003-06-05 Thread Koba
You can encode your php scripts (in standalone cgi mode or apache served) with the open source gpl php encoder/optimizer turck mmcache. The readme says that the encoding it's not recommended for production use yet, but it works like a charm. Good Luck, Koba On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 09:30:51 +0200,

Re: Keeping files away from users

2003-06-05 Thread Peter Cordes
On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 09:30:51AM +0200, Luis Gomez - InfoEmergencias wrote: > We'd like to protect that content, so that even if someone unplugs the > machine > and connects the HD to another Linux box, they can't access that information. > Of course it's difficult to do, but we think there mi

urgent request please

2003-06-05 Thread keneth . madembe
Sir/madam, I need your help,I am KENETH MADAMBE, the son of a Late minister during the reign of mobutu seseko, I came to know you in the course of my search for a reliable and God fearing partner and I decide to contact you because I believe you are a reputable person and I felt you ca

Re: Keeping files away from users

2003-06-05 Thread Thomas Ritter
Am Donnerstag, 5. Juni 2003 09:30 schrieb Luis Gomez - InfoEmergencias: > We'd like to protect that content, so that even if someone unplugs the > machine and connects the HD to another Linux box, they can't access that > information. Of course it's difficult to do, but we think there might be a >

Re: Keeping files away from users

2003-06-05 Thread Adam ENDRODI
On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 10:44:47AM +0200, Lars Ellenberg wrote: > > or keep an encrypted copy of all relevant files separately, and on > bootup / service startup you decrypt it temporarily to the correct > location, start the service, and unlink it again (after you wiped it > with garbage, of cour

Re: Keeping files away from users

2003-06-05 Thread Marcel Weber
Luis Gomez - InfoEmergencias wrote: We're already looking at that (btw, IIRC loop-aes is included into the cryptoapi of kerneli.org). The problem is what Dariush points: if your machine has the pass to mount the filesystem, someone can put the HD in another machine, remove the root password,

Re: Keeping files away from users

2003-06-05 Thread Lars Ellenberg
On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 09:30:51AM +0200, Luis Gomez - InfoEmergencias wrote: > We'd like to protect that content, so that even if someone unplugs the > machine > and connects the HD to another Linux box, they can't access that information. > Of course it's difficult to do, but we think there mi

Re: Keeping files away from users

2003-06-05 Thread Dariush Pietrzak
> accesses the HD can do it as well. btw, what does SOL mean? So Out of Luck? -- Dariush Pietrzak, She swore and she cursed, that she never would deceive me Key fingerprint = 40D0 9FFB 9939 7320 8294 05E0 BCC7 02C4 75CC 50D9

Re: Keeping files away from users

2003-06-05 Thread Luis Gomez - InfoEmergencias
On Jueves, 5 de Junio de 2003 10:02, Dariush Pietrzak wrote: > > We'd like to protect that content, so that even if someone unplugs the > > machine and connects the HD to another Linux box, they can't access that > > information. > > Hm? Maybe you need encrypted filesystem, something like cfs? > W

Re: Keeping files away from users

2003-06-05 Thread Luis Gomez - InfoEmergencias
On Jueves, 5 de Junio de 2003 10:19, Adam ENDRODI wrote: > On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 09:30:51AM +0200, Luis Gomez - InfoEmergencias wrote: > > We'd like to protect that content, so that even if someone unplugs the > > machine and connects the HD to another Linux box, they can't access that > > infor

Re: Keeping files away from users

2003-06-05 Thread Adam ENDRODI
On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 09:30:51AM +0200, Luis Gomez - InfoEmergencias wrote: > > We'd like to protect that content, so that even if someone unplugs the > machine > and connects the HD to another Linux box, they can't access that information. Default answer: encrypt your file system. http://ww

Re: Keeping files away from users

2003-06-05 Thread Dariush Pietrzak
> We'd like to protect that content, so that even if someone unplugs the > machine > and connects the HD to another Linux box, they can't access that information. Hm? Maybe you need encrypted filesystem, something like cfs? With schemes like this there are problems - you need to provide some ki

Keeping files away from users

2003-06-05 Thread Luis Gomez - InfoEmergencias
Hello world... In my company, we've been working for some months in what I consider a rather interesting product... but well, this mail is not spam ;) Seriously, the fact is this: we are going to install Linux servers in some companies, in order to serve mail, files, databases... We have develo

Re: question squid + firewall + http server inside firewall

2003-06-05 Thread Filippi Marco
My idea: connection coming from inside network to the firewall going to the web server are not considered by the rules > >>$PROG -t nat -A PREROUTING -i $NIC_EXTERNAL -p tcp \ > >> -s 0/0 --dport http \ > >> -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.2:80 > >>$PROG -t mangle -A FORWARD -i

RE: question squid + firewall + http server inside firewall

2003-06-05 Thread Michael Sharman
> -Original Message- > From: Hanasaki JiJi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, 5 June 2003 4:17 PM > To: List - Debian Security > Subject: Re: question squid + firewall + http server inside firewall > > > Michael, > > unfortunately, that didnt work. Your logic makes sense. > B

Re: question squid + firewall + http server inside firewall

2003-06-05 Thread Hanasaki JiJi
Michael, unfortunately, that didnt work. Your logic makes sense. Below is the output of the relavant lines: iptables -L -t nat any other ideas would be great! SNAT tcp -- 192.168.1.0/24 [internalhost] tcp dpt:www to:65.30.34.80 Michael Sharman wrote: -Original Message- From: Hanas

RE: question squid + firewall + http server inside firewall

2003-06-05 Thread Michael Sharman
> -Original Message- > From: Hanasaki JiJi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, 5 June 2003 2:42 PM > To: List - Debian Security > Subject: question squid + firewall + http server inside firewall > > > I have the below rules in my firewall. the http server is inside the > firewal

Re: how to help with security in debian

2003-06-05 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 12:14 2003-06-01 +1000 hat Aníbal Monsalve Salazar geschrieben: > >A month ago or so, Martin Schulze sent a message about his guidelines >to help with security in debian. It included a URL at infodrom.org. > >Could someone please send me the message and the URL? > >Attachment Converted: "c:\tama

question squid + firewall + http server inside firewall

2003-06-05 Thread Hanasaki JiJi
I have the below rules in my firewall. the http server is inside the firewall on 192.168.1.2:80 people can hit it fine from the outside squid is running on the firewall inside can browser ouside via squid just fine inside cannot browse the outside address Any th