On 19/01/08 at 16:49 +0100, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote:
> Petter Reinholdtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > [Lucas Nussbaum]
> >> Wouldn't it be better to first try to report and solve all the
> >> issues we can easily report and solve? That is:
> > This is the kind of feedback I was interested
Petter Reinholdtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [Lucas Nussbaum]
>> Wouldn't it be better to first try to report and solve all the
>> issues we can easily report and solve? That is:
> This is the kind of feedback I was interested in. :)
>
> Perhaps it would be better.
Yes, it would be. Please fi
[Lucas Nussbaum]
> Wouldn't it be better to first try to report and solve all the
> issues we can easily report and solve? That is:
This is the kind of feedback I was interested in. :)
Perhaps it would be better. Or, perhaps those issues should be RC
now, half a year before the freeze, to draw m
On 19/01/08 at 10:42 +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> [Luk Claes]
> > Hmm, what do you mean? Do you want to degrade it to not being a
> > Release Goal anymore?
>
> I want to know if we should switch, and when. I assume the most
> sensible way to do it is to switch for all new installations, an
[Luk Claes]
> Hmm, what do you mean? Do you want to degrade it to not being a
> Release Goal anymore?
I want to know if we should switch, and when. I assume the most
sensible way to do it is to switch for all new installations, and for
that to happen, someone need to decide that dash is to be ins
On 19/01/08 at 01:19 +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
>
> [Petter Reinholdtsen 2007-07-04]
> > Please consider making such switch a release goal or release target
> > for Lenny.
>
> What is the Lenny release teams opinion on this now?
>
> Happy hacking,
Hi Petter,
It's listed as confirmed on
Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> [Petter Reinholdtsen 2007-07-04]
>> Please consider making such switch a release goal or release target
>> for Lenny.
>
> What is the Lenny release teams opinion on this now?
Hmm, what do you mean? Do you want to degrade it to not being a Release
Goal anymore?
Cheers
[Petter Reinholdtsen 2007-07-04]
> Please consider making such switch a release goal or release target
> for Lenny.
What is the Lenny release teams opinion on this now?
Happy hacking,
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Thorsten Glaser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Otavio Salvador dixit:
>
>>suggest you to produce a set of patches to implment it and proposed it
>>to debian-devel and then as release goal (on another thread).
>
> Hm, who is “you” in this case? For me, as mksh maintainer, it's “just”
> important tha
Otavio Salvador dixit:
>suggest you to produce a set of patches to implment it and proposed it
>to debian-devel and then as release goal (on another thread).
Hm, who is “you” in this case? For me, as mksh maintainer, it's “just”
important that all shells that CAN be used as /bin/sh have the exact
Thorsten Glaser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Petter Reinholdtsen dixit:
>
>>> Please consider keeping current policy and implementing the
>>> alternatives system like the window manager stuff in the Debconf
>>> tutorial.
>>
>>I believe the reason /bin/sh replacment isn't done using alternatives
>
Petter Reinholdtsen dixit:
>> Please consider keeping current policy and implementing the
>> alternatives system like the window manager stuff in the Debconf
>> tutorial.
>
>I believe the reason /bin/sh replacment isn't done using alternatives
>it to reduce the possibility of leaving the system co
[Thorsten Glaser]
> First of, this is already possible, so that wouldn't be a change,
> just keeping currently existing behaviour.
Exactly. So no really need to make it _easier_ to use anything except
dash, as dash is proven to speed up the boot by at least 7%. None of
the others have documente
Petter Reinholdtsen dixit:
>I do not see the advantage of increasing the complexity by making it
>easier to change /bin/sh to anything but dash and bash.
First of, this is already possible, so that wouldn't be a change, just
keeping currently existing behaviour.
Second, Debian policy states that
[Thorsten Glaser]
> If we have more than one alternative package (bash _and_ mksh - and
> maybe pdksh, AT&T ksh, zsh? No idea if they're /bin/sh compatible
> enough), we need the configuration mechanism in all shells that can
> be used as /bin/sh so that we have a choose-one-out-of-many kind of
>
On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 09:12:30AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> Ubuntu switched /bin/sh to dash several releases ago. I am not sure
> why, but suspect it was to speed up the boot.
Your suspicion is entirely correct.
(We have taken a certain amount of flak from third parties who had
writte
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>If we have more than one alternative package (bash _and_ mksh - and maybe
>pdksh, AT&T ksh, zsh? No idea if they're /bin/sh compatible enough), we
>need the configuration mechanism in all shells that can be used as /bin/sh
>so that we have a choose-one-out-of-many kind of
Thorsten Glaser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> There is a shared/window-manager example which is what I propose for
> dash, bash and mksh to share (shared/bin-sh?).
Yes, it looks very clear and easy to implement. I personally agree
about he shared question.
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Gerrit Pape dixit:
>Hi, I support this. On top of it I would like to drop the debconf
>question from the dash package, and install a /bin/sh symlink
>unconditionally. If bash should optionally be installed as /bin/sh, a
>similar config mechanism could be added to the bash package, and/or a
>bett
On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 09:12:30AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> To switch, the dash package need to be installed, and the debconf
> preseeding value to enable it need to be set:
>
> dash dash/sh boolean false
>
> Those wishing to switch back to bash can do so by running
> dpkg-reconfigur
Last summer, Carlos Villegas worked as part of the Google Summer of
Code program to improve the debian Boot process. Part of his results
were to identify what could be done to speed up the boot system. As
can be seen from
http://initscripts-ng.alioth.debian.org/soc2006-bootsystem/deliverable3.ht
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