Re: squeeze release-notes (was: Invite to join the Release Team)

2010-04-04 Thread Julien Cristau
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 20:38:01 +0200, Simon Paillard wrote: > Questions: > 1/ In case someone noticed lacks in NEWS file, would the RT allow > migration to testing after freeze only for NEWS file update ? I'd certainly hope so (documentation updates have been allowed in early stages of the free

Re: squeeze release-notes (was: Invite to join the Release Team)

2010-04-04 Thread Andreas Barth
* Simon Paillard (spaill...@debian.org) [100404 20:38]: > 1/ In case someone noticed lacks in NEWS file, would the RT allow > migration to testing after freeze only for NEWS file update ? Depends on how long the freeze will probably take, but as long as we allow to migrate for l10n-upgrades, NEWS-

squeeze release-notes (was: Invite to join the Release Team)

2010-04-04 Thread Simon Paillard
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 07:19:19PM +0100, Simon Paillard wrote: > On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 08:35:05AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > On Wed, 17 Mar 2010, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: > > > The release notes need to be updated for squeeze and upgrade and > > > installation tests on different conf

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-24 Thread Julien Cristau
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 09:12:42 +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: > Of course, if I can either get the first or the third priority done, > it's obvious what I do. If I however can make things better "for the > press" without getting things worse for the developers, why not do it? > One reason could be

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-24 Thread Andreas Barth
* Christian PERRIER (bubu...@debian.org) [100324 08:27]: > WRT concerns about the way such text can be interpreted by "the press" > or whoever not directly involved in Debian and is reading d-d-a, I > think that should go *after* the need to inform developers. I think the priorities are (in this o

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-24 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Andreas Barth (a...@not.so.argh.org): > Eh, who said we're not going to use the *information*? But the way of > presenting "I write an text about what the release team thinks" is not > going to help, and I think the criticsmn raised from e.g. Alexander is .../... (plus what Marc followed

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-23 Thread Andreas Barth
* Christian PERRIER (bubu...@debian.org) [100323 16:47]: > Quoting Clint Adams (sch...@debian.org): > > > > I do not want *this* assistance, thanks. I think we played this charade > > > long enough. By now, everyone should know that you don't like the way > > > the release team has done its work,

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-23 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
Christian PERRIER writes: >>> I do not want *this* assistance, thanks. I think we played this charade >>> long enough. By now, everyone should know that you don't like the way >>> the release team has done its work, you have saved face and no one will >>> say that you only criticize the RT without

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-23 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Clint Adams (sch...@debian.org): > > I do not want *this* assistance, thanks. I think we played this charade > > long enough. By now, everyone should know that you don't like the way > > the release team has done its work, you have saved face and no one will > > say that you only criticize

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-23 Thread Clint Adams
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 03:02:43PM +0100, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: > I do not want *this* assistance, thanks. I think we played this charade > long enough. By now, everyone should know that you don't like the way > the release team has done its work, you have saved face and no one will > say t

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-23 Thread Clint Adams
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:28:28AM +0100, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote: > With as well as without my press hat I find the proposed text rather > suboptimal. Even as a developer who lurks around this list I don't know > what most of the text is supposed to tell me. I think many fellow DDs

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-23 Thread Clint Adams
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 09:31:16AM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > This is far from the truth. The open BTS reports listed only relates Thanks for the clarification. I have incorporated this information, and the WIP is (temporarily) available at http://people.debian.org/~schizo/tmp/release-u

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-23 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
Clint Adams writes: > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 08:11:00AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: >> Actually, we should give our developers (and the press who is reading >> that as well) an truthfull "status quo" of our activities. Also, it's >> not "Andreas Barth wants that", but either the release team wa

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-23 Thread Clint Adams
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 08:11:00AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Duh... everybody should care. Skip this. I find this offensive. > You're not a reporter that quotes what other people are saying. > This should be using "we": As in the previous case, I am writing this in my own voice. I am not

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-23 Thread Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
Hi! Andreas Barth schrieb: This is not adequate for sending out to d-d-a. Actually, we should give our developers (and the press who is reading that as well) an truthfull "status quo" of our activities. Also, it's not "Andreas Barth wants that", but either the release team wants it, or we don'

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-23 Thread Andreas Barth
* Clint Adams (sch...@debian.org) [100323 02:31]: > If you don't care about Debian 6.0 (codename "squeeze"), > please skip this release update. > > Andreas Barth would like to sy that we have recently > discussed the situation of the release, and it looks > like we can pull the release off if we a

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-23 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Clint Adams] > Open bugs[10] still remain in the way of the "Boot > Performance" release goal. This is far from the truth. The open BTS reports listed only relates to one small part of this release goal - the dependency based boot sequencing. Work on improving boot speed have almost stalled, w

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-23 Thread Raphael Hertzog
(Some comments with my external POV) On Tue, 23 Mar 2010, Clint Adams wrote: > If you don't care about Debian 6.0 (codename "squeeze"), > please skip this release update. Duh... everybody should care. Skip this. > Andreas Barth would like to sy that we have recently > discussed the situation of

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-22 Thread Clint Adams
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 02:57:51PM +0100, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: > Yes, please! Draft below --8<---snip---8<-- Dear Developers, If you don't care about Debian 6.0 (codename "squeeze"), please skip this release update. Andreas Barth would like to sy that we have recently discussed the sit

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-20 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
Simon Paillard writes: > On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 08:35:05AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: >> On Wed, 17 Mar 2010, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: >> > There is also the issue of the release notes. This was a problem for >> > lenny, and it doesn't look like it will get any better for >> > squeeze. Th

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-19 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
Clint Adams writes: > On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:14:01AM +0100, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: >> I would be happy if you could point out any specific insanity in the >> notes of the IRC meeting from yesterday. If it seems fine, it would be >> great if you could work on drafting a release update in

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-18 Thread Simon Paillard
Hi, On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 08:35:05AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Wed, 17 Mar 2010, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: > > There is also the issue of the release notes. This was a problem for > > lenny, and it doesn't look like it will get any better for > > squeeze. The release notes need to b

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-18 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 17 Mar 2010, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: > There is also the issue of the release notes. This was a problem for > lenny, and it doesn't look like it will get any better for > squeeze. The release notes need to be updated for squeeze and upgrade > and installation tests on different config

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-17 Thread Clint Adams
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:14:01AM +0100, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: > I would be happy if you could point out any specific insanity in the > notes of the IRC meeting from yesterday. If it seems fine, it would be > great if you could work on drafting a release update informing the > project abou

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-17 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
Heya, I don't know if you are subscribed to -release@ - I guess so, but CCed anyway. Clint Adams writes: > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:37:25PM +0100, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: >> OK, I'm not sure how much of that is an actual offer, but I would be >> happy to accept any help you can give. Do

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-16 Thread Clint Adams
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:37:25PM +0100, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: > OK, I'm not sure how much of that is an actual offer, but I would be > happy to accept any help you can give. Do you have any ideas how you > could help the release team, or, in a more general way, the release? How would you

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-16 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
Heya, [CC/M-F-T -release@ set, don't see why this needs to be on -devel] Clint Adams writes: > I do not really know what you are talking about, but I do not > want the kids on the playground calling me a coward, so you > clearly have given me no choice but to accept your offer. > Unless you want