Am 2004-08-31 16:27:03, schrieb Michael Stone:
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 12:35:58PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> >No apology is necessary, because of (1).
>
> No apology is necessary because it's a ridiculous concept.
>
> I hesitate to tell people to use UTF-8 because full multibyte compli
On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 03:21:05PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
Perhaps you could write down some of the more frequent problems that
users with UTF-8 might expect to see
No. I have no interest in this problem and don't care to work with you.
I've reassigned the coreutils bug to libc6 and
On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 02:36:25PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
I agree that an apology isn't necessary, but *some* kind of advice,
given that sarge will be *removing* support for a large class of users,
That's not true. Something is changing, arguably for the worse. Nobody
is being unsupp
Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 02:36:25PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> >I agree that an apology isn't necessary, but *some* kind of advice,
> >given that sarge will be *removing* support for a large class of users,
>
> That's not true. Something is chan
On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 02:29:21PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
But the problem here is that you seem totally unable to seek
compromise. I'll try again.
Good grief, this isn't personal. Maybe you should just relax and come
back tomorrow.
Mike Stone
On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 02:14:48PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
Actually that's not a "real technical reason". If you could point to
a package with a bug that would be a serious problem if people used
UTF-8, then that would be a real technical reason. But saying "it
isn't required for sarg
Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 02:29:21PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> >But the problem here is that you seem totally unable to seek
> >compromise. I'll try again.
>
> Good grief, this isn't personal. Maybe you should just relax and come
> back tomorro
On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 02:09:36PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
Are you willing to compromise?
What is there for me to compromise about? I pointed out a potential
*technical* problem with your proposal and you jumped all over me and
suggested that my phone number be put in the release note
Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I didn't say it did. I pointed to a potential problem. For all I know,
> in an exclusively german context UTF-8 won't cause problems at all. What
> I did say is that full multibyte compliance isn't guaranteed.
So how about a release note that describes
Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 02:09:36PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> >Are you willing to compromise?
>
> What is there for me to compromise about? I pointed out a potential
> *technical* problem with your proposal and you jumped all over me and
> sugg
On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 01:33:00PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
Are you just trying to make it as difficult as possible to solve the
problem?
No, I'm aghast that the concept of including an *apology* in the release
notes for a typographical ugliness is being given any consideration at
al
Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Don't be an ass. I replied with a real technical reason why you might
> not want hordes of people switching to UTF-8 and you suggest *that* as a
> reasonable response? I had thought better of you.
Actually that's not a "real technical reason". If you c
Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> No, I'm aghast that the concept of including an *apology* in the release
> notes for a typographical ugliness is being given any consideration at
> all. Talking about solutions is fine, but singling something like this
> out for an apology is ludicrous.
On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 12:35:58PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
No apology is necessary, because of (1).
No apology is necessary because it's a ridiculous concept.
I hesitate to tell people to use UTF-8 because full multibyte compliance
isn't guaranteed in sarge.
Mike Stone
Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 12:35:58PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> >No apology is necessary, because of (1).
>
> No apology is necessary because it's a ridiculous concept.
Are you just trying to make it as difficult as possible to solve the
problem
Mario Lang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> It feels to me as if you are intentionally failing to get my point.
> I have no problems reading ``this'' as double quotes, but ,,this" is just
> a double comma.
Can you explain the difference? Both seem ugly to me. Though:
,,this" is inconsistent. It
Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 04:59:05PM +0200, Mario Lang wrote:
>>Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>> Once again, the english quotes are also stupid:
mv -iv foo bar
>>> `foo' -> `bar'
>>>
>>> It is not clear why german users are the only ones
Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 08:28:14PM +0200, Mario Lang wrote:
> >It feels to me as if you are intentionally failing to get my point.
>
> Likewise. :)
> >I have no problems reading ``this'' as double quotes, but ,,this" is just
> >a double comma.
>
> Well
On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 08:28:14PM +0200, Mario Lang wrote:
It feels to me as if you are intentionally failing to get my point.
Likewise. :)
I have no problems reading ``this'' as double quotes, but ,,this" is just
a double comma.
Well, `` isn't a double quote any more than ,, is--it's a p
On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 04:59:05PM +0200, Mario Lang wrote:
Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Once again, the english quotes are also stupid:
mv -iv foo bar
`foo' -> `bar'
It is not clear why german users are the only ones who need an "apology"
because they get stupid-looking quotes.
Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 12:26:28PM +0200, you wrote:
>>A) Using the same quotes as in english, i.e., ""
>
> Once again, the english quotes are also stupid:
>> mv -iv foo bar
> `foo' -> `bar'
>
> It is not clear why german users are the only ones who need
* Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-08-31 06:59]:
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 12:26:28PM +0200, you wrote:
>>A) Using the same quotes as in english, i.e., ""
>
> Once again, the english quotes are also stupid:
>>mv -iv foo bar
> `foo' -> `bar'
>
> It is not clear why german users are the only
On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 12:26:28PM +0200, you wrote:
A) Using the same quotes as in english, i.e., ""
Once again, the english quotes are also stupid:
mv -iv foo bar
`foo' -> `bar'
It is not clear why german users are the only ones who need an "apology"
because they get stupid-looking quotes.
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