Re: Proposal for collaborative maintenance of packages

2005-12-29 Thread skaller
On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 19:12 -0200, Guilherme de S. Pastore wrote: > Even then, do you think you are ready to upload a package to the Debian > archive? Mine, yes. I know more about it than anyone else, I know what the issues are and have a sponsor to ask for help, I'm registered on debian-mentors

Re: Proposal for collaborative maintenance of packages

2005-12-29 Thread Joey Hess
Lars Wirzenius wrote: > I'm going to dip my spoon into this soup, because I dislike soup, and > this one especially irks me. Even ice cream soup? > Reviewing other people's patches in large quantities every day is > something that few people will be happy to do for more than a few > days. After t

Re: Proposal for collaborative maintenance of packages

2005-12-29 Thread Guilherme de S. Pastore
Em Sex, 2005-12-30 às 07:56 +1100, skaller escreveu: > > So come up with a better way and show it to everybody, please. > > I'm trying. Don't expect a complete working plan though! So don't act as if it were a complete working and flawless plan, please. Debian has also been trying to come up with

Re: Proposal for collaborative maintenance of packages

2005-12-29 Thread skaller
On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 17:14 -0200, Guilherme de S. Pastore wrote: > Em Sex, 2005-12-30 às 05:08 +1100, skaller escreveu: > > I'm an outsider, I'm giving my impression of the process > > to insiders that cannot see what I do from the outside > > (as both a user and software developer). > > Do not f

Re: Proposal for collaborative maintenance of packages

2005-12-29 Thread skaller
On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 09:28 -0800, Richard A. Hecker wrote: > skaller wrote: > >I can suggest whole heap of things that would improve > >the situation .. but I can't choose which ones to > >implement. All I can do is ask .. please do SOMETHING > >to streamline the process a bit more and to make it

Re: Proposal for collaborative maintenance of packages

2005-12-29 Thread Richard A. Hecker
skaller wrote: On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 03:35 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: .. Sorry, if you want Debian to make particular changes to make it easier to contribute, I suspect near universal agreement exists here that an ideal system would enable everyone to contribute according to t

Re: Proposal for collaborative maintenance of packages

2005-12-29 Thread Guilherme de S. Pastore
Em Sex, 2005-12-30 às 05:08 +1100, skaller escreveu: > I'm an outsider, I'm giving my impression of the process > to insiders that cannot see what I do from the outside > (as both a user and software developer). Do not forget that people are not born with their Debian accounts and that they have b

Re: Proposal for collaborative maintenance of packages

2005-12-29 Thread skaller
On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 16:54 +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > I'm going to dip my spoon into this soup, because I dislike soup, and > this one especially irks me. Pity. > I'm sorry, are you trying to tell me what my goal is? Certainly not, why would you think that? > My goal certainly > is not to

Re: Proposal for collaborative maintenance of packages

2005-12-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:45:25 +1100, skaller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 03:35 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: >> While insiders are not qualified to comment on how outsiders *feel* >> about the process, they are certainly the people to judge whether >> the *outcome* of the pro

Re: Proposal for collaborative maintenance of packages

2005-12-29 Thread Lars Wirzenius
I'm going to dip my spoon into this soup, because I dislike soup, and this one especially irks me. pe, 2005-12-30 kello 00:45 +1100, skaller kirjoitti: > On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 03:35 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > While insiders are not qualified to comment on how outsiders *feel* about > > th

Re: Proposal for collaborative maintenance of packages

2005-12-29 Thread skaller
On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 03:35 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > While insiders are not qualified to comment on how outsiders *feel* about > the process, they are certainly the people to judge whether the *outcome* of > the process is the correct one. Outcome for their own personal pleasure? No: they'

Re: Proposal for collaborative maintenance of packages

2005-12-29 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Dec 29, 2005 at 03:43:59PM +1100, skaller wrote: > On Wed, 2005-12-28 at 23:50 -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: > > > (...) > > > I wasn't addressing your point specifically. Instead, I'm raising > > > another one. The whole Debian system is a serious pain and an > > > impediment to cooperatio