Re: python 2.2 -> python 2.3 transition

2003-08-21 Thread David Weinehall
On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 01:37:10PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 12:34:12PM +1000, Donovan Baarda wrote: > > On Wed, 2003-08-20 at 15:49, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 11:44:22PM -0400, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: > > > > The negative effect for the use

Re: python 2.2 -> python 2.3 transition

2003-08-21 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 12:34:12PM +1000, Donovan Baarda wrote: > On Wed, 2003-08-20 at 15:49, Anthony Towns wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 11:44:22PM -0400, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: > > > The negative effect for the users is that you can't upgrade python > > > while wxgtk-python is install

Re: python 2.2 -> python 2.3 transition

2003-08-20 Thread Donovan Baarda
On Wed, 2003-08-20 at 15:49, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 11:44:22PM -0400, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: > > The negative effect for the users is that you can't upgrade python > > while wxgtk-python is installed so you can't try out the > > latest-and-greatest python in the meanti

Re: python 2.2 -> python 2.3 transition

2003-08-20 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 11:44:22PM -0400, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: > The negative effect for the users is that you can't upgrade python > while wxgtk-python is installed so you can't try out the > latest-and-greatest python in the meantime. This is the issue at > hand. Sure you can:

Re: python 2.2 -> python 2.3 transition

2003-08-19 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson
On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 11:22:43AM +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote: | On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 08:33:26AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: | > Now, I could do the dependency on python (>= 2.2), python (<<2.3) thing. | > But what would that gain me or users? I see no benefit there, other than | > people

Re: python 2.2 -> python 2.3 transition

2003-08-19 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson
I haven't sat down to respond before now, but I've been following the entire discussion. On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 11:07:26PM +1000, Donovan Baarda wrote: | On Sat, 2003-08-16 at 00:20, Matthias Klose wrote: | > Donovan Baarda writes: | > > But that was kinda the point... you should be able to insta

Re: python 2.2 -> python 2.3 transition

2003-08-17 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 04:27:31PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Josip Rodin wrote: > > Am I the only one who has a disgusting reminiscence of netscape*.* packages > > every time python* is mentioned? :P > Actually I'm more reminded of the perl* packages and the complete mess > that followed. The rea

Re: python 2.2 -> python 2.3 transition

2003-08-17 Thread Torsten Landschoff
On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 08:33:26AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > Now, I could do the dependency on python (>= 2.2), python (<<2.3) thing. > But what would that gain me or users? I see no benefit there, other than > people tracking sid would find OfflineIMAP uninstallable until it gets > updated to

Re: python 2.2 -> python 2.3 transition

2003-08-16 Thread Donovan Baarda
G'day, It's late and I don't have much time... but thought I'd quickly respond to this one; On Sat, 2003-08-16 at 00:20, Matthias Klose wrote: > Donovan Baarda writes: > > But that was kinda the point... you should be able to install a > > pythonX.Y package without python (X.Y). This way you get

Re: python 2.2 -> python 2.3 transition

2003-08-15 Thread Matthias Klose
Donovan Baarda writes: > But that was kinda the point... you should be able to install a > pythonX.Y package without python (X.Y). This way you get > /usr/bin/pythonX.Y, but not /usr/bin/python. I don't see any reason why > python2.3 needs to depend on python at all. You should only need python > (

Re: python 2.2 -> python 2.3 transition

2003-08-14 Thread Donovan Baarda
On Fri, 2003-08-15 at 07:11, Matthias Klose wrote: > Derrick 'dman' Hudson writes: > > So what's the problem? The problem is > > > > $ apt-cache show python2.3 | grep Depends | head -1 > > Depends: libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.3.2-1), libdb4.1, > > libncurses5 (>= 5.3.20030510-1), libreadl

Re: python 2.2 -> python 2.3 transition

2003-08-14 Thread Matthias Klose
Derrick 'dman' Hudson writes: > So what's the problem? The problem is > > $ apt-cache show python2.3 | grep Depends | head -1 > Depends: libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.3.2-1), libdb4.1, > libncurses5 (>= 5.3.20030510-1), libreadline4 (>= 4.3-1), > libssl0.9.7, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4)

Re: python 2.2 -> python 2.3 transition

2003-08-14 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson
On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 03:42:56PM +1000, Donovan Baarda wrote: | On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 23:33, John Goerzen wrote: | > On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 02:14:55PM +1000, Donovan Baarda wrote: | > > > Actually, all that have that are now uninstallable. Some important ones | > > > have that, such as libwxgtk

Re: python 2.2 -> python 2.3 transition

2003-08-14 Thread Donovan Baarda
On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 23:33, John Goerzen wrote: > On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 02:14:55PM +1000, Donovan Baarda wrote: > > > Actually, all that have that are now uninstallable. Some important ones > > > have that, such as libwxgtk2.4-python. > > > > > > Shouldn't they depend on python2.2 instead >

Re: python 2.2 -> python 2.3 transition

2003-08-13 Thread John Goerzen
On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 02:14:55PM +1000, Donovan Baarda wrote: > > Actually, all that have that are now uninstallable. Some important ones > > have that, such as libwxgtk2.4-python. > > > > Shouldn't they depend on python2.2 instead > > No. There is a reason they are not installable... they d

Re: python 2.2 -> python 2.3 transition

2003-08-12 Thread Donovan Baarda
On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 09:39, John Goerzen wrote: > On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 01:32:33PM -0400, Samuel Bronson wrote: > > Well, I haven't had any python-related collisions from the pythonX.Y > > scheme... python (>= 2.2), python (< 2.3) I've seen, of course... it > > would be so much nicer if someone

Re: python 2.2 -> python 2.3 transition

2003-08-12 Thread John Goerzen
On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 01:32:33PM -0400, Samuel Bronson wrote: > Well, I haven't had any python-related collisions from the pythonX.Y > scheme... python (>= 2.2), python (< 2.3) I've seen, of course... it > would be so much nicer if someone added debian support to distutils, > though ;-) (*hint*)

Re: python 2.2 -> python 2.3 transition

2003-08-12 Thread Samuel Bronson
Joey Hess wrote: >Josip Rodin wrote: > > >>Am I the only one who has a disgusting reminiscence of netscape*.* packages >>every time python* is mentioned? :P >> >> > >Actually I'm more reminded of the perl* packages and the complete mess >that followed. And I keep expecting to see the same se

Re: python 2.2 -> python 2.3 transition

2003-08-09 Thread Donovan Baarda
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 04:27:31PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Josip Rodin wrote: > > Am I the only one who has a disgusting reminiscence of netscape*.* packages > > every time python* is mentioned? :P > > Actually I'm more reminded of the perl* packages and the complete mess > that followed. And I

Re: python 2.2 -> python 2.3 transition

2003-08-08 Thread Matthias Klose
Joey Hess writes: > Josip Rodin wrote: > > Am I the only one who has a disgusting reminiscence of netscape*.* packages > > every time python* is mentioned? :P > > Actually I'm more reminded of the perl* packages and the complete mess > that followed. And I keep expecting to see the same set of pro

Re: python 2.2 -> python 2.3 transition

2003-08-08 Thread Thomas Viehmann
[restricting cc to -python] Joey Hess wrote: > Josip Rodin wrote: >>Am I the only one who has a disgusting reminiscence of netscape*.* packages >>every time python* is mentioned? :P > Actually I'm more reminded of the perl* packages and the complete mess > that followed. And I keep expecting to see

Re: python 2.2 -> python 2.3 transition

2003-08-08 Thread Joey Hess
Josip Rodin wrote: > Am I the only one who has a disgusting reminiscence of netscape*.* packages > every time python* is mentioned? :P Actually I'm more reminded of the perl* packages and the complete mess that followed. And I keep expecting to see the same set of problems affect python. -- see

Re: python 2.2 -> python 2.3 transition

2003-08-07 Thread Domenico Andreoli
i agree, we have a great support for Python. thanks to those who make it possible. cavok On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 11:47:48AM +1000, Donovan Baarda wrote: ... > > Personally I was going to post "nice job everyone... the Python Policy > looks like it is working". There are still a few niggly thing

Re: python 2.2 -> python 2.3 transition

2003-08-06 Thread Donovan Baarda
On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 02:17, Josip Rodin wrote: > On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 09:33:26AM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: > > > > Am I the only one who has a disgusting reminiscence of netscape*.* > > > > packages every time python* is mentioned? :P > > > > > hmmm.. just curious... why? > > > > The short

Re: python 2.2 -> python 2.3 transition

2003-08-06 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 09:33:26AM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: > > > Am I the only one who has a disgusting reminiscence of netscape*.* > > > packages every time python* is mentioned? :P > > > hmmm.. just curious... why? > > The short of it: he's joking. Note the smiley. Even though package > n

Re: python 2.2 -> python 2.3 transition

2003-08-06 Thread Chad Walstrom
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 11:18:53AM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > Am I the only one who has a disgusting reminiscence of netscape*.* > packages every time python* is mentioned? :P On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 02:59:00PM +0200, Domenico Andreoli wrote: > hmmm.. just curious... why? The short of it: he's j

Re: python 2.2 -> python 2.3 transition

2003-08-06 Thread Domenico Andreoli
hmmm.. just curious... why? On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 11:18:53AM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 10:31:53PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: > > Last weekend, python 2.3 was released. > > With the next python2.3 upload, python2.3 becomes the default python > > version. > > Am I the

Re: python 2.2 -> python 2.3 transition

2003-08-06 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 10:31:53PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: > Last weekend, python 2.3 was released. > With the next python2.3 upload, python2.3 becomes the default python > version. Am I the only one who has a disgusting reminiscence of netscape*.* packages every time python* is mentioned? :P

Re: python 2.2 -> python 2.3 transition

2003-08-05 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 10:31:53PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: | With the next python2.3 upload, python2.3 becomes the default python | version. Nice! This is the way to work on breaking dedian's reputation of always being way behind. -D -- If Microsoft would build a car... ... Occasionally