Re: on keep providing python 2 packages

2016-08-21 Thread Barry Warsaw
FWIW, On Aug 21, 2016, at 12:30 AM, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: >* all Python applications that support it, should use 3.X only *now* > (and do not bother with things like alternatives or "-3" suffixes / > "python3-" prefixes - at least for new packages; I'd even slowly start > removing alternative

Re: on keep providing python 2 packages

2016-08-21 Thread Mattia Rizzolo
On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 12:30:42AM +0200, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > * libraries in Stretch should support 2.X (i.e. add python-foo binary > packages) if that doesn't require too much additional work (py2dsp > still creates them). I'm OK with shipping 3.X only packages in NEW > packages, though

Re: on keep providing python 2 packages

2016-08-20 Thread Rick Thomas
On Aug 20, 2016, at 1:19 PM, Sandro Tosi wrote: > i'd like to hear the opinion of the dpmt admins and python maintainers > on the OP matter: public module py2 mandatory support, or -in a > boarder shape- to provide debian packages for all the versions of > python an upstream public module suppor

Re: on keep providing python 2 packages

2016-08-20 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Sandro Tosi, 2016-08-20] > i'd like to hear the opinion of the dpmt admins and python maintainers > on the OP matter: public module py2 mandatory support, or -in a > boarder shape- to provide debian packages for all the versions of > python an upstream public module supports in its code. IMO: * a

Re: on keep providing python 2 packages

2016-08-20 Thread Sandro Tosi
On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 8:05 PM, Mattia Rizzolo wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 05:42:24PM +0100, Sandro Tosi wrote: > > anyway, why wouldnt you want to provide a python2 package if the code > > supports it? if you got a py3k package working, it's usually > > straightforward to have a py pkg.

Re: on keep providing python 2 packages

2016-08-20 Thread Mattia Rizzolo
On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 05:42:24PM +0100, Sandro Tosi wrote: > anyway, why wouldnt you want to provide a python2 package if the code > supports it? if you got a py3k package working, it's usually > straightforward to have a py pkg. Doing that i've found several issues > with upsteam projects that

Re: on keep providing python 2 packages

2016-08-20 Thread Sandro Tosi
On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Dmitry Shachnev wrote: > Hi Sandro, > > On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 11:49:25AM +0100, Sandro Tosi wrote: >> > For example, I have a module (which supports both Python 2 and 3), but >> > the only user of this module is an app (which is Python 3 only). >> >> then this sh

Re: on keep providing python 2 packages

2016-08-20 Thread Elena ``of Valhalla''
On 2016-08-19 at 13:42:52 +0300, Dmitry Shachnev wrote: > For example, I have a module (which supports both Python 2 and 3), but > the only user of this module is an app (which is Python 3 only). > > What’s the point of shipping the Python 2 version of that module then? Speaking with the assumpti

Re: on keep providing python 2 packages

2016-08-19 Thread Dmitry Shachnev
Hi Sandro, On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 11:49:25AM +0100, Sandro Tosi wrote: > > For example, I have a module (which supports both Python 2 and 3), but > > the only user of this module is an app (which is Python 3 only). > > then this should be an internal module, installed in /usr/share/ > and not imp

Re: on keep providing python 2 packages

2016-08-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Aug 19, 2016, at 08:19 AM, Sandro Tosi wrote: >I got a feeling we are somehow discouraging the introduction of >python2 package in unstable (it was also discussed at the BoF). Hi Sandro, Just to clarify my own opinion, for *libraries* which upstream supports both Python 2 and Python 3, we sho

Re: on keep providing python 2 packages

2016-08-19 Thread Sandro Tosi
On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Dmitry Shachnev wrote: > Hi all, > > On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 08:19:46AM +0100, Sandro Tosi wrote: >> does anyone else agrees with this view? should we clarify that, when >> available, python2 modules must be provided (along with their py3k)? > > I disagree with th

Re: on keep providing python 2 packages

2016-08-19 Thread Dmitry Shachnev
Hi all, On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 08:19:46AM +0100, Sandro Tosi wrote: > does anyone else agrees with this view? should we clarify that, when > available, python2 modules must be provided (along with their py3k)? I disagree with the “must” wording. For example, I have a module (which supports both

Re: on keep providing python 2 packages

2016-08-19 Thread W. Martin Borgert
On 2016-08-19 08:19, Sandro Tosi wrote: > does anyone else agrees with this view? should we clarify that, when > available, python2 modules must be provided (along with their py3k)? Yes.

Re: on keep providing python 2 packages

2016-08-19 Thread Julien Cristau
On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 08:19:46 +0100, Sandro Tosi wrote: > I got a feeling we are somehow discouraging the introduction of > python2 package in unstable (it was also discussed at the BoF). > > while i can see why we dont want to introduce new python2-only > package, i feel that just providing a

Re: on keep providing python 2 packages

2016-08-19 Thread Ondrej Novy
Hi, 2016-08-19 9:19 GMT+02:00 Sandro Tosi : > does anyone else agrees with this view? should we clarify that, when > available, python2 modules must be provided (along with their py3k)? > I agree. Nobody will move to Py3 because Debian doesn't have Py2 module. -- Best regards Ondřej Nový Ema

Re: on keep providing python 2 packages

2016-08-19 Thread Olivier Sallou
- Mail original - > De: "Sandro Tosi" > À: "debian-python" > Envoyé: Vendredi 19 Août 2016 09:19:46 > Objet: on keep providing python 2 packages > > I got a feeling we are somehow discouraging the introduction of > python2 package in unstable (it was also discussed at the BoF). Don't