Re: DEP 8: Gathering Django usage analytics

2016-11-16 Thread Brian May
Paul Wise writes: >> Should I ask on debian-devel? > > Seems reasonable. I did that here: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2016/11/msg00252.html -- Brian May

Re: DEP 8: Gathering Django usage analytics

2016-11-09 Thread Nicolas Chauvat
Hi List, On Mon, Nov 07, 2016 at 04:32:46PM +0100, W. Martin Borgert wrote: > If Django implements usage analytics, I would strongly suggest to make it > "opt-in" in Debian, just as popcon, not "opt-out". FWIW as a long-time Debian user and supporter, I expect every piece of software I install *n

Re: DEP 8: Gathering Django usage analytics

2016-11-07 Thread W. Martin Borgert
Quoting Barry Warsaw : I'd love to know if there's a Debian-wide policy on such things. E.g. if "opt-out with informed user consent" was an official policy that we could clearly point to and reference, it would greatly help provide guidance to both Debian maintainers and upstreams. In the i

Re: DEP 8: Gathering Django usage analytics

2016-11-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 07, 2016, at 01:21 PM, Brian May wrote: >Should I ask on debian-devel? I think you should, and I'll be very interested in that discussion. Several packages in our team already apply deltas to upstream to disable certain amounts of information gathering and reporting. The most common exa

Re: DEP 8: Gathering Django usage analytics

2016-11-06 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Paul Wise wrote: > Making it opt-in with *informed* user consent. Thinking on it more, due to the whole click-through culture on the modern web, I'm not sure that informed user consent is quite enough. Some discussion of that phenomenon in the latest FaiF episode:

Re: DEP 8: Gathering Django usage analytics

2016-11-06 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Brian May wrote: > I think upstream Django have requested our feedback on this pull request: > > https://github.com/django/deps/pull/31 I would suggest a few things: Making it opt-in with *informed* user consent. Use a Django-hosted piwik/etc service instead of