Yeah, Michael I think you're right. In hindsight I agree with your stance.
>
> I question the whole move as such.
> No gradual change can fix a broken move.
> Have a look at e.g.
> https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/interpreter.html#source-code-encoding
> That's just one example of official docs
Hi Antoine (2025.11.12_15:49:08_+)
I've been wondering whether it's time we finally make this
change. Concretely, I think it means:
1. deprecating /usr/bin/python3
2. shipping Python 3 as /usr/bin/python directly
I think we should do this for Debian 14 (forky), and stop shipping
python3 alt
Hi Alexandru, hi all,
On 14.11.25 18:11, Alexandru Mihail wrote:
Exactly what I was saying before in this thread as well. The amount of scripts
with the #!/usr/bin/python3 shebang in the wild is staggering. I'm not saying
that it's good practice but it must be considered.
Maybe we could do a ve
Exactly what I was saying before in this thread as well. The amount of scripts
with the #!/usr/bin/python3 shebang in the wild is staggering. I'm not saying
that it's good practice but it must be considered.
Maybe we could do a very gradual change, warning users in apt changes
for several versions
Hi all,
On 12.11.25 16:49, Antoine Beaupré wrote:
I've been wondering whether it's time we finally make this
change. Concretely, I think it means:
1. deprecating /usr/bin/python3
2. shipping Python 3 as /usr/bin/python directly
What would be a motivation to warrant such a breaking change?
And using those when they are there
For example moving usage of
/usr/bin/py.test + /usr/bin/py.test-3 + /usr/bin/pytest-3
to
/usr/bin/pytest
Sometimes it's juste dropping a patch that did it the other way around
years before.
Greetings
Le jeu. 13 nov. 2025 à 17:21, Andrey Rakhmatulli
Related, is it time to reintroduce executables without a "3" suffix
(things like ipython)?
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I also object to /usr/bin/python3 deprecation. The astonishing amount of
scripts, random utils and stuff I saw running on Debian in the wild (random
open source projects, libraries, corporate scripts, etc) is unlikely to change
very fast. In fact, it was considered good practice to shebang /usr/
python as python3'.
Thomas
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Original message
From: Jerome Kieffer
Date: 11/12/25 12:01 (GMT-05:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: /usr/bin/python3 deprecation and enforcing /usr/bin/python
Hi,
I am against deprecating
On Wed, Nov 12, 2025 at 06:33:45PM +0100, Matthias Klose wrote:
> On 11/12/25 17:13, Santiago Vila wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 12, 2025 at 10:49:08AM -0500, Antoine Beaupré wrote:
> >
> > > I think we should do this for Debian 14 (forky), and stop shipping
> > > python3 altogether in Debian 15 (?).
> >
On 11/12/25 17:39, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
On 2025-11-12 10:49:08 -0500 (-0500), Antoine Beaupré wrote:
[...]
I've been wondering whether it's time we finally make this change.
Concretely, I think it means:
1. deprecating /usr/bin/python3
2. shipping Python 3 as /usr/bin/python directly
I think
On 11/12/25 17:13, Santiago Vila wrote:
On Wed, Nov 12, 2025 at 10:49:08AM -0500, Antoine Beaupré wrote:
I think we should do this for Debian 14 (forky), and stop shipping
python3 altogether in Debian 15 (?).
Thoughts?
If possible, please make the transition to be smooth
(i.e. not another gc
On 2025-11-12 10:49:08 -0500 (-0500), Antoine Beaupré wrote:
[...]
I've been wondering whether it's time we finally make this
change. Concretely, I think it means:
1. deprecating /usr/bin/python3
2. shipping Python 3 as /usr/bin/python directly
I think we should do this for Debian 14 (forky),
Hi,
I am against deprecating python3 ... it is used a bit everywhere and
every `venv` provides both python and python3.
What will occur when python4 arrives ?
Cheers,
Jerome
On Wed, 12 Nov 2025 10:49:08 -0500
Antoine Beaupré wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Debian has shipped Python 3 as /usr/bin/python3 fo
On Wed, Nov 12, 2025 at 10:49:08AM -0500, Antoine Beaupré wrote:
> I think we should do this for Debian 14 (forky), and stop shipping
> python3 altogether in Debian 15 (?).
>
> Thoughts?
If possible, please make the transition to be smooth
(i.e. not another gcc-15 or CMake 4).
Thanks.
Hi!
Debian has shipped Python 3 as /usr/bin/python3 for a while now. For
some time, we've also shipped a python-is-python3 package that ships a
symlink from /usr/bin/python to /usr/bin/python as well, but it's not
installed by default.
I'm assuming that most distributions outside of Debian, at th
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