Re: python devs complaining about debian packaging

2024-05-26 Thread Scott Kitterman
Overall, I think that's quite reasonable, but I think I need to pick at the both sides way this is framed. I don't recall anyone here suggesting that it's a problem is Python upstream wants to ship Python binaries. While I think that there are issues with some of the upstream design choices, I

Re: python devs complaining about debian packaging

2024-05-26 Thread Donald Stufft
I happen to be subscribed here, so figured I'd comment :) FWIW I think the way the discussions are going... really in both locations.. is needlessly taking shots at each other. I've commented on discuss.python.org, but figured I'd repeat myself here. I think the way these discussions devolve in

Re: python devs complaining about debian packaging

2024-05-26 Thread Stefano Rivera
Hi Ian (2024.05.26_01:33:09_+) > I am puzzled about some of the responses there, how can anyone expect to > randomly update packages on the system using pip and not have it go wrong > on any distribution? This is why things like pipenv exist. People don't understand that stuff until they dig t

Re: python devs complaining about debian packaging

2024-05-26 Thread Danial Behzadi
That's just too crazy to let change a core system dependency so easily from outside.

Re: python devs complaining about debian packaging

2024-05-26 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
I'll just say that the equal amount of FUD and ranting can be easily generated abotu Debian or even just about Debian Python packaging. -- WBR, wRAR signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: python devs complaining about debian packaging

2024-05-26 Thread weepingclown
Hi, I have always found most of issues mentioned in the thread a welcome change instead, and if anything the far superior ability of apt to automatically remove all the installed dependencies in case of the removal of a package compared to the complete inability of pip has always left me in awe

Re: python devs complaining about debian packaging

2024-05-26 Thread Paul Boddie
On Sunday, 26 May 2024 03:33:09 CEST Ian Norton wrote: > I am puzzled about some of the responses there, how can anyone expect to > randomly update packages on the system using pip and not have it go wrong > on any distribution? This is why things like pipenv exist. Or whatever today's tool is cal