Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-21 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 02:21:34PM -0600, Joe Wreschnig wrote: > On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 01:48 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > One example is .config maintainer scripts, some of which are quite complex > > > and worth writing in a higher-level l

Re: [Pkg-icecast-devel] what package name to decide

2006-01-21 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 00:18:57 +0100 Rakotomandimby Mihamina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I want to Debian package the little "shout-python" software: > http://icecast.org/download.php > (in the midle of the page) > > The upstream tarball is: > http://

what package name to decide

2006-01-21 Thread Rakotomandimby Mihamina
Hi, I want to Debian package the little "shout-python" software: http://icecast.org/download.php (in the midle of the page) The upstream tarball is: http://downloads.us.xiph.org/releases/libshout/shout-python-0.2.tar.gz What name should I give to it? - libhsout-python ? - python-shout ? - shout-

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-21 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Joe Wreschnig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > We can burn those bridges when we come to them. Right now there's only > one such distribution, with one such language, which has already done > all the work to strip it down to a small size. Scalability problems do not happen because someone failed to

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-21 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 01:04:25PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> Granted if it is a real issue, then why not use perl? Yes, I hate > >> perl too, but really, the argument "hey, people like Python too" > >> implies that we should have a sche

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-21 Thread Joe Wreschnig
Don't reply to me directly. I should not have to tell you this. On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 13:03 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > Python is the "official" language of Ubuntu. If we want to merge work > > they're doing (Anthony Towns mentioned their work on boot speed, for > > example) it's a good

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-21 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 01:04:25PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: >> Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> >> Granted if it is a real issue, then why not use perl? Yes, I hate >> >> perl too, but really, the argument "hey, people like P

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-21 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 02:21:34PM -0600, Joe Wreschnig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Python is the "official" language of Ubuntu. If we want to merge work > they're doing (Anthony Towns mentioned their work on boot speed, for > example) it's a good idea to structure our Python like theirs is. This

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-21 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Granted if it is a real issue, then why not use perl? Yes, I hate >> perl too, but really, the argument "hey, people like Python too" >> implies that we should have a scheme interpreter, a perl, a python, >> emacs lisp, and well, everything anyone mi

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-21 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Joe Wreschnig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > There's nothing that prevents us saying "we aren't going to support > every high-level language" and stick to more than one (we already stick > to two -- sh and Perl). It just means "I'd like to write scripts in X" > alone isn't a good enough reason. Ye

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-21 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 01:48:11AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > One example is .config maintainer scripts, some of which are quite complex > > and worth writing in a higher-level language than shell. > > This is surely true; Steve Langasek a

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-21 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Sat, 2006-01-21 at 01:48 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > One example is .config maintainer scripts, some of which are quite complex > > and worth writing in a higher-level language than shell. > > This is surely true; Steve Langasek asked if

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-21 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Martin Michlmayr wrote: > I definitely agree we should listen to the Python community, Well, my *personal* view is this: I agree that it is highly desirable that the "python" package is the entire thing, with all batteries included. I'm uncertain what to think about offering systems that only have

Re: python-sqlobject v0.7 package?

2006-01-21 Thread Bob Tanner
Ramon Bastiaans wrote: > I was wondering on the status of a version 0.7 package for > python-sqlobject. It's current package is still at version 0.6, while > version 0.7 has been released in October 2005. > I'll confess that I'm partly to blame for the delay. v0.7 needs formencode and Fabio cont

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-21 Thread Agustin Martin
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 11:14:19AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > If you won't acknowledge that, then know that upstream also object to the > name "python-base" for something which has a stripped-down standard library. Both pythol-minimal and python-base sound to something an end user would expect

Re: python packaging infrastructure

2006-01-21 Thread Matthias Klose
Steve Langasek writes: > On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 10:47:19AM +0100, Matthias Klose wrote: > > Steve Langasek writes: > > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 01:06:39PM +0100, Matthias Klose wrote: > > > > > the design decision of putting the binary-all python packages in a > > > > separate directory into /va

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-21 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 09:40:55AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: >> I asked this question earlier, and no one answered. Are there .config >> scripts being written in python today in Ubuntu? (Hmm, where are the python >> bindings for debconf, and what e

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-21 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > One example is .config maintainer scripts, some of which are quite complex > and worth writing in a higher-level language than shell. This is surely true; Steve Langasek asked if this was a real issue in Ubuntu or merely a potential issue. Granted if