Re: Status report on python2 transition

2001-07-05 Thread Bruce Sass
On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, Bruce Sass wrote: > The problem with both the FAQ and Debian's Python is that they have > been assuming nobody will ever have more than one Python on the > system, and it will always be as recent as the most recent program... > as long as the language is backwards compatible the

Re: Status report on python2 transition

2001-07-05 Thread Bruce Sass
On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, D-Man wrote: > On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 06:43:08PM +0100, Aquarius wrote: > | In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > | > I just browsed /usr/bin and /usr/sbin, and indeed there are plenty of > | > scripts that use "#!/usr/bin/env python". If we consider the possibility > | >

Re: Status report on python2 transition

2001-07-05 Thread Neil Schemenauer
Aquarius wrote: > Especially since "#!/usr/bin/env python" is recommended in the Python > FAQ (section 4.63 -- > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw.py?req=show&file=faq04.063.htp). Is > it bad to use in general, or just bad to use on Debian systems? Depends. If your writing a script or program to

Re: Status report on python2 transition

2001-07-05 Thread D-Man
On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 06:43:08PM +0100, Aquarius wrote: | In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: | > I just browsed /usr/bin and /usr/sbin, and indeed there are plenty of | > scripts that use "#!/usr/bin/env python". If we consider the possibility | > that somebody installs non-compatible Pyth

Re: Status report on python2 transition

2001-07-05 Thread Aquarius
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > I just browsed /usr/bin and /usr/sbin, and indeed there are plenty of > scripts that use "#!/usr/bin/env python". If we consider the possibility > that somebody installs non-compatible Python versions in the path, then > these are bugs in that packages. T

Re: Status report on python2 transition

2001-07-05 Thread Neil Schemenauer
Gregor Hoffleit wrote: > Pure Python packages not necessarily would need to be rebuilt (if the > code was cross-version compatible). It almost always is. Python tries very hard to remain source compatible across releases. I've been using Python for 9 years and can only think of one case were my

Re: Status report on python2 transition

2001-07-05 Thread Neil Schemenauer
Gregor Hoffleit wrote: > Binary extension modules depend on the version of Python that they were > compiled against (a different micro version should be ok, AFAIK). That's right. Maybe I don't understand the mess we are in now. Can you explain exactly what it is? As I understand it, we want to

Re: Status report on python2 transition

2001-07-05 Thread Gregor Hoffleit
On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 05:33:37PM +0200, Gregor Hoffleit wrote: > On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 07:56:57AM -0700, Neil Schemenauer wrote: > > > That's our current setup (well-behaved packages should have a dependency > > > on "python-base >= 1.5, python-base << 1.6"). Look at the mess we're now > > > ru

Re: Status report on python2 transition

2001-07-05 Thread Gregor Hoffleit
On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 07:56:57AM -0700, Neil Schemenauer wrote: > Gregor Hoffleit wrote: > > Sorry ? What problems do you have installing Python 2.1 in /usr/local on > > a Debian system ? > > Sometimes /usr/local/bin/python is used instead of /usr/bin/python. For > example, dput uses "#!/usr/bi

Re: Status report on python2 transition

2001-07-05 Thread Neil Schemenauer
Gregor Hoffleit wrote: > Sorry ? What problems do you have installing Python 2.1 in /usr/local on > a Debian system ? Sometimes /usr/local/bin/python is used instead of /usr/bin/python. For example, dput uses "#!/usr/bin/env python". Also, its postinst script it does: python -c 'from compil

Re: Status report on python2 transition

2001-07-05 Thread Gregor Hoffleit
On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 07:13:54AM -0700, Neil Schemenauer wrote: > Gregor Hoffleit wrote: > > Until now I had the impression that in general it's not necessary to > > have more than one Python version on your machine at the same time > > (except perhaps you're a Python core developer). Feedback fr

Re: Status report on python2 transition

2001-07-05 Thread Neil Schemenauer
Gregor Hoffleit wrote: > Until now I had the impression that in general it's not necessary to > have more than one Python version on your machine at the same time > (except perhaps you're a Python core developer). Feedback from > python-dev though was that it's definitely necessary to allow and > s

Re: Status report on python2 transition

2001-07-05 Thread Bruce Sass
On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, Gregor Hoffleit wrote: > First of all the good news: You have managed to talk me into making the > big step, and going right to the 2.1.1 CVS branch. Thomas Wouters > (release czar for Python 2.1.1) assured me that 2.1.1 will be released > before the freeze, and Guido heavily s

Re: Status report on python2 transition

2001-07-05 Thread Harry Henry Gebel
On Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 09:00:06PM -0500, Chris Lawrence wrote: > - python-* should provide a "Standard" Python for each Debian > release. 2.1.1 seems a sensible target for woody. These packages > should be invoked by /usr/bin/python and /usr/bin/pythonx.y If we are going to have multiple ve