ide to do
some work you don't think is useful?
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[Wouter Verhelst]
> Please remember that every time a package fails to function correctly
> on a particular architecture, barring toolchain bugs, this is a bug
> in that package itself.
"Barring toolchain bugs" is a pretty big caveat. Just as big as
"barring kernel and libc issues", some other r
[Lars Wirzenius]
> * Quite a number of packages already use some variant of the DEP-5
> format. There's no goal to make using it mandatory, however.
> (Compare with debhelper: almost all packages use it, but it's
> entirely optional.)
and then you say
> If we build DEP-5 outside the normal
[Lars Wirzenius]
> * a "Comment" field would be good
> * license shortnames/keywords: the set of keywords probably needs work,
> and hopefully can be compatible with what other projects use; the
> current thread on the meaning of "public domain" is part of this
> * file globbing syntax
> * cla
: other people
incorporate the same Photoshop brush into their own graphic designs and
logos.
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[dE .]
> Look what Microsoft and Apple's is doing with Android. And for any
> task with WP7, you have to have propitiatory applications which're
Microsoft, Apple, Android, and WP7 (whatever that is) are all
off-topic. The debian-project list is about the Debian Project.
You may hate technology
[Stefano Zacchiroli]
> What they propose is:
>
> - donating to Debian 25% of the income they make from inbound traffic
> that originates from Debian users if DDG is a search engine option
> in a web browser
>
> - donating to Debian 50% of the same income if DDG is the default
> search engi
ere's all sorts of ways for the rest of the Internet to know
you're using Debian, not just nmap.
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[Paul Wise]
> Does the domain name restriction mean that sites like these will have
> to rename themselves?
>
> http://www.debian-administration.org/
> http://www.debian-news.net/
The way I read it, it's not that sites like these will be forced to
rename themselves, but that they will be forced
[Steffen Möller]
> some binary software forced me into downloading a RedHat flavour, so
> I went for Fedora. I found it very easy to get an ISO. I mean - very
> very very easy. My suggestion is to copy that for our now pending
> release or to make it even easier
Hmmm, they have a button labeled "
[Jonathan Dowland]
> I think the increasing importance of IRC for people to keep up to
> date on developments in Debian is a bad thing as it excludes people
> who cannot use IRC regularly enough (such as myself).
Increasing importance? What has changed? I don't have the impression
that IRC is a
[Wodzu Wodzowski]
> One is with mount command problem. I wrote in fstab file:
> /dev/hda2 /mnt/winD ntfs ro,user,auto 0 0
This *is* the wrong list, as mentioned - but anyway. I don't know why
you use both the "user" and "auto" flags. For one thing, "auto" is
already the default, so do
[Florian Weimer]
> Do Debian or SPI participate in the GPL v3 process?
That's a question for debian-legal. Well, really it's a question for
the FSF. My impression is that there is no "GPL v3 process" except
whatever is done behind closed doors at the FSF. *After* they come up
with a draft, the
[Mark Farnell]
> To address this problem, I am thinking about a possible framework for
> official debian backport to the current stable release:
>
> - to create a backport repository of the most recent packages on
> testing that have significant improvements / addition of important
> functions to
[Michael Poole]
> For example, GRUB and Linux are both licensed under the GPL. Both
> would be included with these retail systems and would be written to
> locate and call functions within the BIOS; that is, GRUB and Linux
> would be dynamically linked against the (presumably non-free) BIOS.
It
[Joe Smith]
> The difference is that Debian does not distribute the BIOS.
Debian indeed does not distribute the BIOS ... _but_ whoever sells a
computer with Debian pre-installed most certainly does distribute the
BIOS. That is what we are talking about; please try to read threads
before replying
[Ian Jackson]
> Running the upstream test suite in debian/rules usually isn't the
> answer to packaging mistakes, library mismanglements, and the like.
I have an idea. What if we had a script that ran dpkg-buildpackage and
then immediately ran lintian and linda if available, to look for common
p
[Gustav Brehmer]
> Can anybody tell me if this a official release of Debian? What does
> the "r0a" mean? Is a pre release version?
No, 3.1r0 was the first official release of Debian 3.1 "sarge". The CD
images had a small but annoying bug discovered a few hours after it was
released, so 3.1r0a wa
(M-F-T set.)
[Frans Jessop]
> When somebody wants to become a DD he is told ?Go find a package to
> maintain, one that you can be the maintainer for.? I see serious
> problems with this approach as Debian increases in DD's. I will how
> this is in a second. What I think should be emphasized is
[Jonas Smedegaard]
> It is too hard to read the changelogs where it is (or at least should
> be) clearly documented who from a team did what parts of the
> packaging.
I agree that it's too hard, but I don't agree with the rest of that.
The debian changelog doesn't typically say much about who's d
[Floris Bruynooghe]
> Very nice, but can I give mutt a rule that will look in all mailboxes
> too? In mutt you have to set 'mailboxes =debian-project' or similar,
> but it would be nice to have a autmatic rule too otherwise mail will
> get sorted in places where I'll never see it!
Well, I have:
[Panu Kalliokoski]
> Now seriously, the reasons why a package in Debian is quite different
> from a Debian package outside of Debian should be well-known enough:
> ease of search and use for users and infrastructure for packaging
> (such as the BTS).
Those are minor things compared to the reputat
> On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 01:24:15AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> > If you want to receive their privated messages then *you* can
> > disable NOIDPRIVMSG and they will not even know about it.
[Wouter Verhelst]
> Only if they're lucky enough to try to ask someone who has
> NOIDPRIVMSG disabled.
W
[Steve Langasek]
> That's an interesting point. Can you elaborate on how you see this
> being a loophole, in a sense that having the firmware on a ROM
> wouldn't also be?
The day Debian begins to distribute ROM chips, or devices containing
ROM chips, I will expect those chips to come with source
[Sven Luther]
> To add to that, if i where Peter, i may feel slightly offended by the
> tone of your reply as well as the content of it.
I wasn't offended. AJ's tone wasn't derogatory - he made some
observations and offered some advice. He's quite right that my views
are not those of a develope
[Matthew Garrett]
> The biggest area which is likely to bite us is with network cards,
> though we'll probably lose some degree of SCSI support as well.
Fortunately, at least with SCSI, users have a choice. They can buy
Adaptec or LSI 53c* and they get _truly free_ firmware (in the case of
Adap
[Josip Rodin]
> I also think that a social committee would be a good idea. Even if
> unrefined and/or undefined, just the notion of having both a
> technical and a social committee would indicate major progress in our
> way of thinking.
Pretty words. What problem is this supposed to solve? Wha
[Thorsten Glaser]
> [...] a hypothetical "C.UTF-8" locale, which would have to be set via
> setlocale(3) anyway, and differ from "C" only in "LC_CTYPE" category.
I suggest a strategy of having locale.config (the script that prompts
you to generate locales at install time) automatically select any
fts for awhile
before proposing them.
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a lot more plausible to me. If
it is correct, I'd rather you just said so up front.
(For the record, it still wouldn't make me _happy_. Cui bono? I
believe freezing four months before an Ubuntu LTS release would not
benefit Debian at all. Freezing _after_ an LTS release, or at least
[Julien BLACHE]
> I think we'll lose part of the "we release when it's ready"
> philosophy (that our RMs seem to despise so much). Because part of
> this is to freeze when it's ready.
I still don't understand what is supposed to be "new" about the
time-based freezes. The Release Team was giving
[Pierre Habouzit]
> It yields a really costly entry point to target "Linux" as a
> platform, and it's exactly why most Software Vendors target "RHEL"
> and not "Linux". And that's part of the reason[1] why most of our
> customers are using RHELs: software vendors only certify their stuff
> for RHE
bash 4.1 be in Debian 6.0 "squeeze", but when that will be released is
anyone's guess. Probably not sooner than 3Q of this year. Maybe
later.
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[Anthony Towns]
> Is there any reason why grammar, porn and spam debates are attracting
> so much traffic?
I rather suspect one factor is increasing one's visibility in the
Project, without having to work on and think about technical issues.
(This sort of thing has been noted before, with the "se
[Matthew Palmer]
> Do you believe that the ftpmaster team might be amenable to either of
> the proposals mooted recently, such as multiple people certifying
> that the package is OK (like "advocates for packages"), or a
> collection of clueful DDs doing these sanity checks on NEW packages?
The cr
[Helen Faulkner]
> Having just run the 2005 DPL IRC debate (and a stressful experience it
> was too), Martin Krafft and I would like to get feedback on what people
> thought of the debate and how it was run.
Thank you, Helen and Martin, for a job well done.
I think the most useful thing would be
[Daniel Ruoso]
> > The issue with -devel being too high traffic and off-topic is of course
> > still there;
>
> That's something important.
Use of a "Subject: CFD: " convention would mitigate this. Particularly
if the convention were widespread enough to be a (de facto) standard,
and thus to ma
[Jason frothingham]
> I'm a little confused about the release of Sarge, or rather one of
> the support/non-supported architectures. I seem to recall
> annoucements that X86-64 support had been officially added to the
> Debian Architectures
Nope. Don't know where you read that. The amd64 porter
[Andrew Suffield]
> Psychology and sociology are fuzzy "sciences" for the most part,
> where very little is proven. That does not mean that the standards
> for proof should be lowered, it means that their conclusions should
> be treated with the usual skepticism and not as things which have
> been
[Thomas Bushnell, BSG]
> I agree that Debian has a problem in this area and that it's worth
> worrying about and trying to fix. I do not think that Helen has
> given us any information about it; she is guessing at what men
> usually do, and imputing that to us, and guessing about how women
> feel
[Andrew Suffield]
> "We can't be sure whether this orange-haired person likes to eat
> babies or not. He probably does, lock him up".
Not that a baby-eating example isn't a bit loaded ... but ok, I'll run
with it:
"Many orange-haired people have been observed to eat babies. Here we
have an oran
[Matthew Hall]
> there are 12 operators in #debian, which means we expect each one to
> be present at least 2 unique hours per day, assuming the task is
> equally divided. In my opinion that is probably not enough for a
> channel with 600+ people and such extreme traffic levels
There are actually
[Mike Beattie]
> Have a brain please? I was not talking about the technicalities of
> whatever one does on IRC... Last I looked, Debian's world domination
> plan did not include censorship.
Censorship is entirely appropriate when it comes to maintaining some
decorum in a forum such as IRC. Just
[Mike Beattie]
> [Posting to debian lists is like hitting your head against a brick
> wall. It feels good when you stop - so I will after this one]
Larry Wall: "What is the sound of Perl? Is it not the sound of the
wall that people have stopped banging their heads against?" (Sorry, it
has nothi
[Ricardo S]
> Hi. Sorry to bother you but i looked a lot to the page but I can't find
> the info that i'm looking for.
For future reference, a better place to ask this sort of question is
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I want to know what version of the packages or programs is packed
> with different ver
[Jonathan Walther]
> Gentlemen treat women with greater gentleness and with less
> expectation than they do their fellow men. A gentleman, for
> instance, would not think to lift a fellow man over a rain puddle,
> but would instantly offer such assistance to a lady.
I know it has not escaped you
[outtest outtest]
> I would appreciate knowing if your software is free?
You can find a clear answer to that in the Debian Social Contract. See:
http://www.debian.org/social_contract
Peter
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[MJ Ray]
> Are posts which should otherwise go to other lists accepted on -women
> purely because they involve women? It looks that way from yesterday's
> list description and past activity.
Is that your real concern? You should breathe a sigh of relief when
you learn that the goals of the debia
[MJ Ray]
> I look forward to seeing threads from -women redirected to -project,
> -newmaint and others, but it's not happened much yet AFAICT.
I look forward to it too. I don't think anyone wants to create a
private enclave whose members never venture into the rest of Debian.
If certain people c
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