Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 07:30:43PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
Whilst researching for a reply to a different post in this thread on
-user (the thread sadly spans at least three lists), I realised that
the constitution doesn't say where GRs should be announced, and I
Kurt Roeckx wrote:
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 10:32:35PM +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 07:30:43PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
I think we should clearly indicate where GRs should be announced.
("Should", I suppose I'm arguing, not "must").
I think we don't need to name th
st to debian-users and/or debian-devel
to assess interest?
Miles Fidelman
p.s. I should add the caveat that, in a couple of years, I may no longer
be a Debian user, depending on the outcome of the systemd battles -
though happy to continue to support a list (I still support a list for
Boston Latin
systemd, Debian, and
large chunks of the Linux ecosystem. And perhaps why some (many?) of us
are actively looking at alternatives. The stream of negative reactions
is even more revealing of the state to which the community has devolved.
Miles Fidelman
--
In theory, there is no differenc
Matthias Urlichs wrote:
Hi,
Miles Fidelman:
Personally, I think Ian's statement is spot on. [...]
The stream of negative reactions is even
more revealing of the state to which the community has devolved.
Ah. In other words, basically, denying that a conspiracy is going on is in
its
To the original question - I'm thinking the Jessie is going to be
Debian's equivalent of Microsoft Vista. I plan to stay on Wheezy as
long as LTS lets me, and wait and see how things shake out.
Miles Fidelman
--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
I
On 1/15/16 10:48 PM, Stephan Foley wrote:
Hello, I'm trying to characterize Debian and have the following:
Debian is for the tech savvy sys admin type and the server market
Is this a good characterization or am I off base?
Thanks
Used to be. These days, in the wake of systemd, at leas
?
Personally, I don't really care, and could argue both points either
way. But they are clear policy questions that might be of interest to
packagers.
Miles Fidelman
--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is. Yogi Berra
y else?
And is "who gets hurt?" really the right question? Isn't it more about
who are "we" serving,
and what best serves their interests.
(Me, I'm primarily a user & sys admin - I care most
about convenience & reliability. Hurting proprietary services
STILL go wrong,
but without applying foresight, one is guaranteed disaster.
Miles Fidelman
--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is. Yogi Berra
(One might point to our current President in
that regard, as well.)
I kind of wonder if Debian is headed that way - given the way the
discussion on systemd went, not that long ago.
Miles Fidelman
On 1/6/19 1:38 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 03:43:33PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
It sure seems that, in some sectors, disagreement is offensive, and offense
trumps substance. (One might point to our current President in that regard,
as well.)
I kind of wonder if Debian
Ian,
On 1/7/19 10:57 AM, Ian Jackson wrote:
Miles Fidelman writes ("Re: Censorship in Debian"):
On 1/6/19 1:38 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:
[systemd stuff]
[systemd stuff]
I appreciate that the fights over systemd have been a defining
experience for many of us. Many of us are st
On 1/7/19 7:57 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Mon, Jan 07, 2019 at 01:47:41PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
On 1/7/19 10:57 AM, Ian Jackson wrote:
Miles Fidelman writes ("Re: Censorship in Debian"):
On 1/6/19 1:38 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:
[systemd stuff]
[systemd stuff]
I appre
On 1/7/19 8:48 PM, Eldon Koyle wrote:
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 6:18 PM Miles Fidelman
wrote:
On 1/7/19 7:57 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Mon, Jan 07, 2019 at 01:47:41PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
On 1/7/19 10:57 AM, Ian Jackson wrote:
Miles Fidelman writes ("Re: Censorship in D
On 1/7/19 9:12 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
Miles Fidelman writes:
Well, first off, the process led to the resignation of the chair of the
Technical Committee - out of a feeling that the process had become too
"personalized."
Some decisions are just hard. I think nearly all of us i
On 1/7/19 10:06 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
Miles Fidelman writes:
On the other hand, the IETF seems to do just fine - with a much larger
base of participants, and a lot more room for discussion and debate on
contentious issues. Global infrastructure, with distributed ownership,
lots of
On 1/7/19 10:58 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
Miles Fidelman writes:
I think you're minimizing the level of investment & commitment it takes
to either use Debian, particularly in production, and even more,
minimizing the efforts of upstream, and kernel, developers upon whom
Debian u
On 1/7/19 11:10 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
Miles Fidelman writes:
On 1/7/19 10:06 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
Speaking as someone who is a listed author on three published RFCs and
chaired one IETF working group, I will take Debian process over IETF
process any day, and find your description of the
On 1/8/19 4:57 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Tue, Jan 08, 2019 at 04:16:15AM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
What I am asserting is that the Debian Social Contract explicitly
states that:
"4. Our priorities are our users and free software
…
I DO assert that, as one user, I don'
On 1/8/19 8:28 AM, Ian Jackson wrote:
Miles Fidelman writes ("Re: Censorship in Debian"):
I've basically been nursing a couple of aging systems. When next I do a
major upgrade to our server farm, It will be to something other than
Debian. Until then, the pressure hasn't
On 1/8/19 1:34 PM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Miles Fidelman - 08.01.19, 18:16:
I would have been very surprised if you had told me 6 months ago
that
I would be writing this, but:
Please consider Devuan as an alternative. You have probably seen
awful mails from one or two very toxic trolls
ccess to
clean water offends their sensibilities. Yet the second a joke or an ad
is slightly offside in their eyes, they lash out like they’ve been a
victim of the greatest injustice known to humankind."
Miles Fidelman
p.s., Debian is a place where people get work done. Maybe it is a
lo
On 1/10/19 12:00 AM, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Wed, 2019-01-09 at 19:20 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
On 1/9/19 5:39 PM, Josh Triplett wrote:
Anthony Towns wrote:
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 10:47:05AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
People seem to feel they're unreasonably put-upon by having to
On 1/10/19 3:02 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 07:20:41PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
On 1/9/19 5:39 PM, Josh Triplett wrote:
Anthony Towns wrote:
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 10:47:05AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
People seem to feel they're unreasonably put-upon by havi
On 1/10/19 5:28 PM, Matthew Vernon wrote:
Miles Fidelman writes:
At the risk of repeating myself: I'm a firm believer in applying
Postel's law to email discussions - "be conservative in what you do,
be liberal in what you accept from others." Personally, I try to
obse
On 1/11/19 8:28 AM, Matthew Vernon wrote:
Miles Fidelman writes:
On 1/10/19 5:28 PM, Matthew Vernon wrote:
...which is why, of course, the Debian project has said that we won't
accept racist/sexist/homophobic/etc language in our spaces, because we
want a broad range of people to
If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck
On 3/26/19 3:22 AM, Ondřej Surý wrote:
You are absolutely wrong and I find your email disgusting and disrespectful to
all the political prisoners you mention in your email.
Please do not write your hurtful emails here anymore.
Ondrej
--
Ond
le lists. Mailman, ezmlm, etc. It all depends on how you set
things up, and whether you put multiple names behind aliases like
"listmaster." And then there are services like groups.io.
Miles Fidelman
--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, th
, do you want to continue?" --
but I think we should also have more deterrents for breaking the rules in
this case.
Can we just go back to Godwin's law?
Miles Fidelman
--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is. Yogi Berra
Theory is
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