Re: Call for experiences of Norbert Preining

2019-01-09 Thread Michael K. Edwards
Outsider here. Conflict around Norbert's mode of discourse and Ian's mode of responding to it has clearly been an ongoing problem for Debian for over five years: https://lwn.net/Articles/575390/ What tools for resolving this exist now that didn't exist then? If the answer is "nothing much", the

Re: Proposed MBF - mentions of the word "Ubuntu"

2013-11-08 Thread Michael K. Edwards
s/Ubuntu/no-name-anymore/ On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Fri, Nov 08, 2013 at 12:56:37PM -0500, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: >> Seems as though Joey is already taking the lead on this: >> >> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/debmirror.git;a=commitdiff;h=fc

Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 7/15/05, Adam McKenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You're being quite presumptuous about people's motives. How do you know that > someone 'prefers to hide' that they do debian work, just because they do not > advertise it? Could the DPL please just delegate somebody with authority to weed this

Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 7/15/05, Adam McKenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It seems like there is already someone with this authority, but whenever he > tries to do his job, he gets harangued by people who don't approve of the > way he's doing it. That's why God invented thick skins and the "delete" key. - M

Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 7/15/05, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But then, how do we not know they don't propose redhat solutions or whatever > to people coming to them through us ? I've implemented migrations and cross-packaging from Red Hat to Debian, Debian to Ubuntu, Ubuntu to Red Hat, and various other p

Re: consultant entries that will be removed unless they "pong"

2005-07-15 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 7/15/05, Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 05:53:30PM -0700, Michael K. Edwards wrote: > > Thomas has probably heard, and taken note of, the concern that many > > free-lance Debian consultants are on an academic year schedule and > >

Re: "Why" Debian Core Consortium ? Why not UserLinux? Why not Debian?

2005-07-28 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 7/28/05, Jeff Licquia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 14:54 +, Andre Felipe Machado wrote: > > Please, explain these issues. > > The short explanation, I think, is that people often have different > ideas. The longer explanation, I think, can be had by looking back in th

Re: Pledge To Killfile Andrew Suffield

2005-08-09 Thread Michael K. Edwards
The notion of a "pledge to killfile" Andrew is thoroughly juvenile. I am probably as guilty (if that is the word) as anyone of negatively critiquing his conduct on public Debian lists; but I would be horrified to see him censored. Surely, even if every unkind thing I have seen written about him w

Re: Pledge To Killfile Andrew Suffield

2005-08-09 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 8/9/05, Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael K. Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The notion of a "pledge to killfile" Andrew is thoroughly juvenile. I > > am probably as guilty (if that is the word) as anyone of negatively > > cr

Re: Pledge To Killfile Andrew Suffield

2005-08-09 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 8/9/05, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, quite. First they came for those who gratuitously insulted people on > the lists; then they came for the ones who posted diatribes about RMS's > occupation on -legal; then they came for you, and... oh wait, they already > got you, didn't

Re: Pledge To Killfile Andrew Suffield

2005-08-09 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 8/9/05, Manoj Srivastava va, manoj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I fail to follow this. Ultimately, killfiling is a personal > decision. If a bunch of people are all of one mind over kill filing > someone, how does it affect the reputation of rational discourse? > Since when have I bee

Re: Pledge To Killfile Andrew Suffield

2005-08-15 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 8/15/05, Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That does not extend to permit a group to go around making accusations > and advocating that other people do something based on those > accusations. In the real world, this is a tort, specifically > defamation of character. And benefit of the

Re: Pledge To Killfile Andrew Suffield

2005-08-15 Thread Michael K. Edwards
I wrote: > "Z rejoices in the flames that his posts > inspire", which is more or less the factual content of "Z's posts are > trolls" [1] ... Whoops, left out Footnote 1, which is my own take on the same topic as http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/troll.html : FWIW, the origin of this usage o

Re: "Why" Debian Common Core Alliance? Why not Debian?

2005-08-22 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 8/22/05, Anthony Towns wrote: [snip mostly sensible stuff] > I certainly hope not, at least until you've learnt where the boundary is > between speaking on behalf of yourself and speaking on behalf of Debian. > The above crosses it, eg -- what makes you think Debian wants to accept as > an offi

Re: "Why" Debian Core Consortium ? Why not UserLinux? Why not Debian?

2005-08-24 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 8/24/05, Benj. Mako Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Just out of curiosity, what interests do you think the DCC Alliance > > has that aren't in ours? If you don't know, have you asked? > > The goal of the project seems to be create a large binary-compatible > core upon which folks can ce

Re: Dealing with drivers that need firmware on the filesystem

2005-01-12 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:57:08 -0600, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > Software that resides on disk, however, lives on our side of > the divide; the kernel, and the filesystem drivers are required to > mediate delivery of this non-free payload to the system, and it can'

Re: documentation x executable code

2005-01-12 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 14:49:36 +0100, Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Craig Sanders: > > > and, as you pointed out yourself, this freedom (to patch) exists > > even when it is not explicitly granted by the license. > > Without permission from the author, you may not redistribute patch

Re: Dealing with drivers that need firmware on the filesystem

2005-01-12 Thread Michael K. Edwards
> Once the hardware's out there, it's out there--I don't think the case of > "all devices with firmware in flash have been tracked down and destroyed, > so we have to move this driver back to contrib" is a serious worry. I was thinking more of the cases, "skipping the firmware download used to res

Re: sarge and the Wall Street Journal

2005-06-08 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 6/8/05, Thaddeus H. Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have obtained the reporter Guth's work phone number > and do mean to phone him when he reaches his desk this > morning. He's on U.S. Pacific Time (GMT minus 0700). > Have you any suggestion as to what I should say? Tell 'im, Debian "unst

Re: sarge and the Wall Street Journal

2005-06-08 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 6/8/05, Thaddeus H. Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Peter, Michael, your responses were immensely helpful. > Thank you. When I called, voice mail picked up, and I > did leave a voice message combining Peter's structure > and points with Michael's solid content. Whether the > reporter Guth p