Re: Squeeze, firmware and installation

2010-05-28 Thread Martin Schulze
Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > [Steve McIntyre] > > Yup, definitely. We already have an "unofficial non-free" area on > > cdimage.debian.org which is where we've been pushing the firmware > > zip/tar.gz files already. I'll set up the extra images to be dropped > > in there. > > A few days ago, I

Re: Finding sponsors for Debian

2012-03-12 Thread Martin Schulze
Arno Töll wrote: > as somebody who pushed $work to donate money to Debian (i.e. via > FFIS), I always wondered about the financial merits of these > donations. As much as I am involved to work within Debian, I have no > clue what you used "our" money for. I am probably not literally > interested wh

Re: Prospective Trusted Organizations - FFIS

2014-03-25 Thread Martin Schulze
Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Hi Joey, > > On 11/03/14 at 11:58 +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > == The organization should be reliable, sustainable, and reactive == > > > * The organization has several people sharing the role of treasurer in > > >order to react quickly to requests in all circums

Re: Prospective Trusted Organizations - FFIS

2014-05-31 Thread Martin Schulze
martin f krafft wrote: > I have one question about Joey's responses regarding FFIS: > > > > * The organization has decision-making processes that explicitely > > >delegate decisions on Debian assets to the Debian Project Leader > > > > true. > > For completeness: where is this "explicitly"

Re: Prospective Trusted Organizations - FFIS

2014-06-18 Thread Martin Schulze
martin f krafft wrote: > > > 3. In § 10 Abs. 8 it is stated that the minutes of the members' > > >meetings are to be made publicly available. Yet, the last set of > > >minutes linked online² is from 2006. § 10 Abs. 2 states that such > > >a meeting must take place once every two years.

Re: How much space does Debian use?

2004-11-20 Thread Martin Schulze
gildedlink wrote: > My computer recently broke down on windows, but I found that by using > knoppix linux on live-cd I could run linux on the computer smoothly. > Then I found out that knoppix is supposedly very similar to Debian, Knoppix is based on Debian stable + testing. > but that it's poss

Re: ISO-CD-Images

2004-11-28 Thread Martin Schulze
Ralph Hoffmann wrote: > Hi everybody ;-) > Is there a possibility to create DVD-images too? 14 > CD'swow...but I'm not a DJ ;- Looks like you'd need the execise. :) Anyway, the answer is yes. Please see: http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2004/40/ Producing CDs and DVDs for Sarg

Re: FW: Mail forwarding in return for Debian donation

2004-11-30 Thread Martin Schulze
Andrew Suffield wrote: > > > Isn't this a great idea that Debian could borrow? I think this could > > > generate some nice publicity/income for the Debian project, I mean > > > you've already got the domain name. Personaly I'd rather donate to > > > Debian than to the FSF, I think Debian needs i

Re: FW: Mail forwarding in return for Debian donation

2004-11-30 Thread Martin Schulze
Pete van der Spoel wrote: > > We don't have any use for money right now. What we have > > mostly just sits in a bank account getting slowly devalued by > > inflation. So fund raising exercises aren't really a good idea. > > Oh. Okay at least I don't have to feel bad about using Debian and not >

Re: Mail forwarding in return for Debian donation

2004-12-01 Thread Martin Schulze
Pete van der Spoel wrote: > What about having a small financial reward for each release critical bug > that is squashed? Just to heat up the discussion a bit: Why should $some_developer get a reward for popping up just before a release while other work on the distribution continuesly with large p

Re: Contact addresses for Debian mirrors?

2004-12-06 Thread Martin Schulze
Evan Prodromou wrote: > So, the Debian mirror I usually use seems to be broken: > > http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/ > > (Note the "Archive_Maintenance_In_Progress" file dating from yesterday.) > > I'd love to let the mirror maintainer know, but I just can't seem to > figure out a way to do th

Re: expired https certificate

2004-12-06 Thread Martin Schulze
Noèl Köthe wrote: > Hello, > > I connected to https://db.debian.org/ and got a message that the > certificate expired on 2004-12-03. We're already working on an update. Regards, Joey -- The MS-DOS filesystem is nice for removable media. -- H. Peter Anvin

Re: Google ads on debian.org

2004-12-13 Thread Martin Schulze
Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader wrote: > I received the following message from someone at Google: > > > Google is interested in advertising on debian.org. I realize your > > site currently isn't running any advertising, however what we're > > proposing is much different, and complimentar

Re: Google ads on debian.org

2004-12-13 Thread Martin Schulze
martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [2004.12.13.1808 +0100]: > > Normally, I reply to advertising requests on debian.org with > > a polite "no". However, given that google ads are widely > > considered different to normal ads, and mi

Re: Google ads on debian.org

2004-12-13 Thread Martin Schulze
Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader wrote: > * Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-12-13 > 17:08]: > > Normally, I reply to advertising requests on debian.org with a polite > > "no". However, given that google ads are widely considered different > > to normal a

Re: Google ads on debian.org

2004-12-13 Thread Martin Schulze
Stephen Frost wrote: > It's not clear to me that having ads would make them 'commercial'. This > would be something that would have to be run by the appropriate people > at SPI. I doubt tbm would have brought it up if it would cause a > problem for the non-profit status of SPI. If you seek to ge

Re: Google ads on debian.org

2004-12-14 Thread Martin Schulze
Alexander Schmehl wrote: > * Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [041213 18:53]: > > > > Maybe the next offer ist to place ads to the head or footer of each > > > distributed mail on our list server? > > And maybe we can consider each suggestion on a case-by-case basis and > > make a decision on a c

Re: Google ads on debian.org

2004-12-14 Thread Martin Schulze
Stephen Frost wrote: > > > Yeah, I think this are two important concerns: The legal implications > > > and the consequences for mirroring the site. > > > > Let me add one more: Some authors of content on the web site may not want > > to continue to work on a web site that contains ads. (I don't, f

Re: Google ads on debian.org

2004-12-14 Thread Martin Schulze
Stephen Frost wrote: > * Alexander Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > * martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [041213 18:14]: > > > more money is always good. > > > > AFAIK Debian has more money, than we can (usefully) spend (at our > > current rate). I think that was pointed out just a feek we

Re: Google ads on debian.org

2004-12-14 Thread Martin Schulze
Stephen Frost wrote: > I tend to agree that we don't seem to need the money currently, although > I do wonder about the possibility of what we might do with a consistent > dependable revenue stream (debconf trips for Debian, additional obscure > hardware and professional hosting for it). How much

Re: Google ads on debian.org

2004-12-14 Thread Martin Schulze
martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.12.14.1031 +0100]: > > Please also note that "the online ad marked decreased" lately, > > Can you put numbers to this claim? I am actually hearing the > opposite. No, I haven't.

Re: Google ads on debian.org

2004-12-14 Thread Martin Schulze
Stephen Frost wrote: > * Martin Schulze ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Stephen Frost wrote: > > > > I startet to use Debian, because it was not commercial, it was entire > > > > free, and I'm afraid, this will be the first step in the wrong > > > >

Constant revenue source (was: Google ads on debian.org)

2004-12-14 Thread Martin Schulze
Stephen Frost wrote: > Do you have any suggestion as to something that'd be a consistent > revenue source for Debian that you *wouldn't* be opposed to? Maybe a > Debian Magazine (with/without ads?)? Or a subscriber-only Debian > website (run by those willing to provide the content for it, obvious

Re: Google ads on debian.org

2004-12-14 Thread Martin Schulze
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:34:58 +0100, martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > If there are plenty ads of service providers that endorse Debian, I > > could actually see a benefit... > > If no money changes hands, I would see this as a good thing too. Umh, d

Re: Google ads on debian.org

2004-12-14 Thread Martin Schulze
Helen Faulkner wrote: > (OT) Is information about Debian's financial status available publically? > Where would I look to be able to form my own opinion as to whether an > income stream from such ads, or from other sources, is needed? Please check the spi-general list and the SPI board meeting

Re: Google ads on debian.org

2004-12-15 Thread Martin Schulze
Alexander Schmehl wrote: > * Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [041214 10:31]: > > > How much money are we talking about anyway? EUR 100 per month? Something > > like 20kEUR a year? Or more? > > Does it make a difference? If we need to pay for bandwidth, host

Re: Constant revenue source

2004-12-16 Thread Martin Schulze
Stephen Frost wrote: > * Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:25:40 -0500, Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > Simple, the DPL selects them. We elected him, and that indicates > > > that we trust his decisions on such matters as how to spend Debian > >

Re: Limiting number of post from a poster per day per list

2004-12-25 Thread Martin Schulze
Osamu Aoki wrote: > We all know we waste too much time on ML discussing and reading many > postings. We must have some rule for ML to improve this situation. Aha, silencing the poster will improve the situation? > I think limiting a number of post per user (per ML) will help reduce > noise in ou

Re: Limiting number of post from a poster per day per list

2004-12-25 Thread Martin Schulze
Colin Watson wrote: > This is an extremely crude measure which would need many more tweaks > before being useful (for instance, an equal limit for all lists across > the board is totally inappropriate; what about people replying to lots > of bugs on debian-boot in a single day?), and I don't think

Re: Limiting number of post from a poster per day per list

2004-12-25 Thread Martin Schulze
Osamu Aoki wrote: > But how many of us understand what is going on within Debian ML without > reading your nice summary? Why? I think this is because we have too > many mails for most DDs to digest. There is a general rule (I don't know where it comes from) that reads similar to "If the number o

Re: Limiting number of post from a poster per day per list

2004-12-26 Thread Martin Schulze
Osamu Aoki wrote: > On Sat, Dec 25, 2004 at 12:17:07PM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: > > There is a general rule (I don't know where it comes from) that reads > > similar to "If the number of mails in a thread has exceeded ten (or a > > screen height) it is already

Re: When will KDE 3.3 be in Sarge?

2005-01-03 Thread Martin Schulze
Thomas Jollans wrote: > >>By the way, when will Sarge be releasedm and what is the codename > >>of next release? Everyone is expecting to know... > > > > the Debian release after sarge will be called 'etch'. > Who is etch? (I assume alsofrom Toy Story, but haven't seen it for a >

Re: Dealing with drivers that need firmware on the filesystem

2005-01-09 Thread Martin Schulze
Matthew Garrett wrote: > Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I don't think I have a problem, conceptually, with a kernel package which > > provides drivers for 10,000 different types of hardware, and needs to load > > firmware from disk for 300 of them, being in main (without a > > Dep

Re: Dealing with drivers that need firmware on the filesystem

2005-01-09 Thread Martin Schulze
Craig Sanders wrote: > this affects even DFSG-free drivers with DFSG-free patches. you often can't > apply the patches to the debianised kernel sources because the context that > the patch needs is missing. > > e.g. try downloading the patch[1] for DVICO Fusion DVB-T card's DFSG-free > driver and

Re: Dealing with drivers that need firmware on the filesystem

2005-01-09 Thread Martin Schulze
Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 03:22:45PM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: > > The larger problem is to identify non-free blobs in the main kernel, > > extract them into non-free and modify the driver so that it is able > > to load the blob from a user provided

[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Debian-Banner]

2005-07-16 Thread Martin Schulze
Below please find another proposed banner. Maybe it finds your approval (despite the irregular dimension). Regards, Joey -- Of course, I didn't mean that, which is why I didn't say it. What I meant to say, I said. -- Thomas Bushnell --- Begin Message --- Hallo Herr Schulz

Re: "Debian" Core Consortium

2005-07-24 Thread Martin Schulze
Lars Wirzenius wrote: > su, 2005-07-24 kello 10:13 +0200, Florian Weimer kirjoitti: > > How is Debian related to the "Debian Core Consortium"? Why are they > > using the name "Debian"? > > I'm not sure I have ever heard of "Debian Core Consortium". Please don't > refer to new phenomena like that

Re: Debian Project to get US$6000 from Linuxfund

2005-07-29 Thread Martin Schulze
Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: > It is and we should comment on it. As no one seems to be on it, here's a > first attempt at a short press release: It's always good to ignore "official" representatives such as [EMAIL PROTECTED] for press releases they already prepare. But hey, it's your time... Regard

Re: Debian Project to get US$6000 from Linuxfund

2005-07-30 Thread Martin Schulze
Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: > >Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: > >>It is and we should comment on it. As no one seems to be on it, here's a > >>first attempt at a short press release: > > > >It's always good to ignore "official" representatives such as > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] for press releases they already prepar

Re: A new banner for Sarge

2005-08-05 Thread Martin Schulze
Christian Fromme wrote: > feanor wrote: > > I made new version of my banner ! > > You can check them here : http://free.rlmh.net/ban/ > > Give me your preferences, comments, advices... > > (I wasn't long work but I spend time far from home ^^) > > Looks very nice to me. Maybe you should change the

Re: Debian UK

2005-09-07 Thread Martin Schulze
Stephen Frost wrote: > http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/info > > "Debian does not sell any products." Usually, it's DDs or Debian affiliated people who have decided to produce and hand out stuff, partially even sell it at more or less cost price. The revenue is then donated to the organisation th

Re: Debian UK

2005-09-07 Thread Martin Schulze
Stephen Frost wrote: > * Martin Schulze ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Usually, it's DDs or Debian affiliated people who have decided to produce > > and hand out stuff, partially even sell it at more or less cost price. > > The revenue is then donated to the organis

Re: Debian Pure Project

2005-10-18 Thread Martin Schulze
Robert Tolu wrote: > Dear Debian Developers: > > My name is Robert Tolu and I currently lead a project > known as Debian Pure (www.debianpure.com). I am > writing because it has come to my attention that the > Debian name is a trademark and I may be infringing on > this trademark. Let me tell yo

Re: implementing an official Debian backport framework for the current stable release

2005-11-13 Thread Martin Schulze
Peter Samuelson wrote: > > [Mark Farnell] > > To address this problem, I am thinking about a possible framework for > > official debian backport to the current stable release: > > > > - to create a backport repository of the most recent packages on > > testing that have significant improvements /

Re: Status of mirror split and AMD64

2006-01-10 Thread Martin Schulze
Anthony Towns wrote: > Joey Hess wrote: > > So is there something else that needs to be done, on ftp-master or the > > like? > > Yes; one of the specific requirements is that ftp.d.o will /not/ be a > full mirror, in order to make it trivially easy for people to mirror > Debian usefully without fi

Re: mailbox clogging, need daily "digests" of the list

2006-01-17 Thread Martin Schulze
Madana Prathap wrote: > Hi, > I've been subscribed to 12 debian mailing-lists. As you could imagine, my > mailbox is simply over-flowing now, with the number of mails & the Have you tried to use a threading-capable mail reader yet? With such a program you can easily determine which thread a m

Re: mailbox clogging, need daily "digests" of the list

2006-01-17 Thread Martin Schulze
Madana Prathap wrote: > On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 03:12:42 +0530, Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On Tuesday 17 January 2006 13:33, Madana Prathap wrote: > >>I've been subscribed to 12 debian mailing-lists. As you could imagine, > >>my mailbox is simply over-flowing now, with the number of m

Re: Linux Forums

2006-01-22 Thread Martin Schulze
Mark Daher wrote: > Hi, > > My name is Mark Daher, owner of LinuxForums.org , I would like to make > my site the official forums of the Debian since there aren't any, > helping people with Debian, etc. Did debianHELP, Planet Debian and debianforum.de recently close? Regards, Joey --

Re: Linux Forums

2006-01-22 Thread Martin Schulze
Brett Parker wrote: > Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mark Daher wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > My name is Mark Daher, owner of LinuxForums.org , I would like to make > > > my site the official forums of the Debian since there

Re: Linux Forums

2006-01-22 Thread Martin Schulze
Andreas Schuldei wrote: > what about maintaining a list of debian forums on the debian > website I believe they are mentioned on the web pages already. > the differnet languages could point to debianforum.de, At least I remember having seen a link to this on the German/ international pages. Reg

Re: Poll: how should Debian derivatives identify their packages?

2006-01-26 Thread Martin Schulze
Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) wrote: > On 01/26/2006 07:43 AM, Sune Vuorela wrote: > > On 2006-01-26, Jeroen van Wolffelaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>The poll can only be submitted by DD's, and results will be non-anonymous > >>and > >>published immediately. > > > > Shouldn't non-DD-

Re: Intel notebooks for needy developers in developing countries

2006-03-01 Thread Martin Schulze
Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: > Andreas Schuldei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > * Martin Michlmayr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-02-27 14:52:16]: > >> * Andreas Schuldei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-12-08 21:08]: > >>> Intel is so generous to provide Debian with ten notebooks (besides > >>> some server h

Re: PR work

2006-03-13 Thread Martin Schulze
Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: > Alexander Schmehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > * Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060308 09:09]: > >> I know that some non-Debian people actually ask questions like "I > >> heard Debian has split and is dead, what will happen in the future?" > >> From t

Re: uol.com.br and petsupermarket

2006-03-13 Thread Martin Schulze
Gustavo Franco wrote: > > I am still receiving those obnoxious messages in response to my posts to > > debian-user. > > > > I see, and it's just other reason that this unsubscribe thing not > worked as the listmasters > thought. I would like to suggest that they unsubscribe the original > email ad

Re: LinuxFund

2006-03-13 Thread Martin Schulze
Matyas Sustik wrote: > Hi All, > > My LinuxFund card is up for renewal. Debian is listed as one of the > projects that LinuxFund supports. I would like to get some info from > Debian whether they are happy with their relationship with LinuxFund. > (A note on the Debian website would be usefu

Re: Setting up i18n.debian.org?

2006-03-28 Thread Martin Schulze
Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: > Ubuntus' Rosetta is non-free but perhaps this might be a promising > replacement. If we set up something like this as a central place for > translations, it might be very useful for people who wish to contribute to > the i18n of Debian. What do you think? Please set i

Re: wiki.debian.org: Who's maintaining it

2006-04-19 Thread Martin Schulze
Frans Pop wrote: > The debian-www list regularly sees bug reports [1] and mails about the > wiki, which no-one really takes responsibility for as debian-www is about > www.d.o and not wiki.d.o and in general different people are involved. Technically the wiki is operated by debian-admin. For se

Re: wiki.debian.org: Who's maintaining it

2006-04-21 Thread Martin Schulze
MJ Ray wrote: > Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Technically the wiki is operated by debian-admin. For serious problems, > > please drop debian-admin a note. Patches in coordination with the python > > moin wiki maintainer are welcome. Patches that will be

Re: Reforming the NM process

2006-04-25 Thread Martin Schulze
Panu Kalliokoski wrote: > I hoped the proposal I was making would allow us to eat the cake and > keep it too: offer an open upload area but keep the main archive under > strict quality criteria. I expect it to be easier to check package > quality, too, if they're being autobuilt and available for

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-04-30 Thread Martin Schulze
Steve McIntyre wrote: > I've heard it suggested by a variety of people that we should move the > official irc.debian.org alias away from freenode to oftc. I can see > that more and more of my own Debian IRC discussions are on oftc, to > the extent that I'm (currently) not on any freenode channels a

Re: wiki.debian.org: Who's maintaining it

2006-05-07 Thread Martin Schulze
Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > As the python moin wiki maintainer I welcome this coordinated effort. > > > > I myself have failed locating the admins of the Debian wiki[1], so is > > happy for this clarification :-) > > Would it be possible to have the moinmoin version on wiki.debian.org > upgrade

Re: debian and UDEV

2006-05-15 Thread Martin Schulze
Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > The most hideous problem of hotplug/udev is the following: > > You can't wait for an hotplug/udev event to be done processing. That > is always done asynchron without any feedback of completion. > > > Consequently any module loading has to randomly wait a while till

Re: Call for a new DPL mediation ... This will be the only thread i will reply to in the next time about this issue.

2006-06-20 Thread Martin Schulze
Benjamin Seidenberg wrote: > AIUI (please, correct me if I am wrong) the D-I repository is hosted on > svn.d.o, a machine belonging to the debian project. I don't see why the > DPL would have authority over the mailing lists (hosted on a debian > machine and maintained by the list admins) but not t

Re: package ownership in Debian

2006-07-28 Thread Martin Schulze
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > Co-maintainers are much closer to what is being done in a package > > than joe-random developer. Also, co-maintainership is far less > > prone to fire-and-forget uploads that hose things, and are nicer to > > people who feel very strongly about their packages. > >

Re: snapshot.d.net mirror (Re: Branding for Debian derivatives)

2006-07-29 Thread Martin Schulze
Martin Michlmayr wrote: > * Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-07-29 16:59]: > > That would require us to maintain an essentially permanent archive > > for source packages, which at the moment we don't. But doing so > > would be useful for us too, no? > > By the way, can you please authorize

Re: Extremadura Regional Government of Spain will switch to Debian GNU/Linux and ODF on all the computers

2006-07-29 Thread Martin Schulze
Jesus Climent wrote: > On Sat, Jul 29, 2006 at 06:52:36PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 29, 2006 at 01:30:21PM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote: > > > According to Millan, > > > > You seem to not have introduced Mr. Millan until this point, maybe write > > his full name and position/invol

Re: package ownership in Debian

2006-07-29 Thread Martin Schulze
George Danchev wrote: > On Saturday 29 July 2006 09:48, Martin Schulze wrote: > > Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > > > Co-maintainers are much closer to what is being done in a package > > > > than joe-random developer. Also, co-maintainership is far less > > &g

Re: Branding for Debian derivatives

2006-07-29 Thread Martin Schulze
Anthony Towns wrote: > So, following the discussions at DebConf [0], the "Debian Powered" logo > ideas [1], and a couple of other chats I've had the privelege of having > with some folks working on Debian derivatives and Debian-based distros and > similar things, I'd like us to introduce an officia

Uploading to the DELAYED queue

2006-07-31 Thread Martin Schulze
Matthew Palmer wrote: > Can non-DDs upload to the DELAYED queues and get the package through anyway? > I'd hope not, since it'd be a massive hole. So, there's a DD involved / > responsible for the delayed upload in the first place, they should make sure > they can clear it again if necessary. Si

Re: Packages awaiting proposed-updates moderation

2006-08-02 Thread Martin Schulze
Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 10:50 +0200, Loïc Minier wrote: > > I don't quite understand the various steps that a package traverses > > when uploaded to SPU. Is some document explaining that? In short, I > > would just like to understand the number of steps, the human-trigge

Re: DebianTimes launched

2006-08-04 Thread Martin Schulze
Andreas Barth wrote: > > Hm, ok. I can see your point, but I disagree (but of course, I'm biased). > > > > Anyways, if more DDs feel your way, I will remove DebianTimes. (DWN was > > removed due to flooding planet, not for "it's not a personal blog, btw.) > > After some more of the feedback, I de

Re: Live image: strategic for Debian or not?

2006-08-23 Thread Martin Schulze
Ottavio Caruso wrote: > I'd be glad to have your opinion about the two > following related issues: > > 1) According to the documentation [1]: > "There are no official Debian live CDs available. > However, we would like to recommend Knoppix, which is > based on Debian - a very useful, full-featured

Re: Rethinking stable updates policy

2006-08-25 Thread Martin Schulze
John Goerzen wrote: > Hello, > > The Debian stable distribution has been a thorn in our side for a long > time. We tend to go a long time between releases, which means that > stable grows less and less useful as time goes on. We also have a > strict policy on what is allowed into stable. > > Th

Re: Rethinking stable updates policy

2006-08-26 Thread Martin Schulze
Marc Haber wrote: > > To start with, [1] says that a package is only uploaded to stable when > > it meets one of these criteria: > > > > * it fixes a truly critical functionality problem > > > > * the package becomes uninstallable > > > > * a released architecture lacks the package > > I wou

Re: Rethinking stable updates policy

2006-08-26 Thread Martin Schulze
John Goerzen wrote: > On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 08:43:53AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: > > John Goerzen wrote: > > > Examples of things that should happen in stable, but haven't been > > > happening reliably: > > > > > > * Kernel updates with more

Re: Rethinking stable updates policy

2006-08-26 Thread Martin Schulze
Sven Luther wrote: > > mkinitrd > > mkinitrd is dead :) Whatever... :) > > debhelper > > debhelper ??? Didn't it creep in? Maybe not. > > yard > > yaird is its name. Oh well... > > Just try to get a more recent kernel from backports.org on a sarge > > machine and you'll see. > > Actually

Re: Rethinking stable updates policy

2006-08-26 Thread Martin Schulze
John Goerzen wrote: > But I'm not trying to talk in this thread about how hard or easy it is > technically to build stuff for stable. That level will change over > time. (And if we really find it so much more difficult to build a > kernel for stable than other distros do, we need to examine that

Re: Rethinking stable updates policy

2006-08-27 Thread Martin Schulze
Martin Schulze wrote: > > Examples of things that should happen in stable, but haven't been > > happening reliably: > > > > * Kernel updates with more broad hardware support > > This requires new kernel packages, new utilities and a new installer. > I

Re: Rethinking stable updates policy

2006-08-28 Thread Martin Schulze
Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: > Martin Schulze wrote: > > It would be good, though, especially in order to have some support for > > hardware that has entered the market after the last Debian release, if > > there would be an outside repository for updated kernel and installer &

Re: Rethinking stable updates policy

2006-08-28 Thread Martin Schulze
David Nusinow wrote: > On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 10:57:45PM +0200, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: > > The rough plan is to provide an alternative set of updated kernel packages > > and potentially also xservers (depending on how modular the new X.org > > modulization really is) nine months after Etch rele

Re: Concerns with Open/OS Corporate Linux ads?

2006-08-30 Thread Martin Schulze
Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > also sprach Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.29.2310 +0200]: > > >> July 6 - bug goes public through upstream's BTS, Debian bug filed > >> July 21 - fixed in sarge, DSA released > > > I know this is a ridiculous

Re: New website layout / design contest?

2006-09-06 Thread Martin Schulze
Christoph Haas wrote: > On Tuesday 05 September 2006 04:16, Matej Cepl wrote: > > Paul Belanger wrote: > > > After all, the point of any distribution is to sell it to a user. > > > > It is not. For example, Debian Developers usually don't care how many > > users is Debian sold to. And that is a goo

Re: Fw: Kurdish Linux debian

2006-09-19 Thread Martin Schulze
Michelle Konzack wrote: > Am 2006-09-17 21:20:06, schrieb Lior Kaplan: > > > AFAIK. Erdal Ronahi is already did some translations of the debian > > installer to Kurdish [1]. > > "some translations"? - > > This guy is heavy... I read his name and see his > translations over many Mailinglists an

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-09 Thread Martin Schulze
Raphael Hertzog wrote: > [ Continuing publicly a discussion started in -private, with the agreement > of Pierre ] > > The discussion concerns the use of money as a resource within Debian. > Dunc-Tank's principle is to use the money to pay for real work and not > only for travel expenses and reimbu

Re: Proposal: SPI as international money transfer service

2006-10-09 Thread Martin Schulze
mmlacak wrote: > So, my question is: can we make SPI ( http://www.spi-inc.org/, > http://www.debian.org/donations ) into monetary service which accepts > from and is able to transfer money to any country in the world? Is able > to deliver money basically from door to door ( post-office/bank t

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-11 Thread Martin Schulze
Jérôme Marant wrote: > Le lundi 09 octobre 2006 18:54, Martin Schulze a écrit : > > > hard on getting Debian better be funded similarily? I know that > > several people have lost their motivation to work on Debian as before > > (yes, others will hate me for writing thi

Re: Proposal: SPI as international money transfer service

2006-10-11 Thread Martin Schulze
mmlacak wrote: > >It's also being discussed at the moment if/how money affects developers. > > > Well, lets make possible for money to come in, in the first place. In my opinion, money destroys. I believe it's already happening in Debian. However, many people don't seem to care or understand. R

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-11 Thread Martin Schulze
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > Huh? I hate to be the one to break it to you, but many things life > boil down to a question of time or money. > > * Do I mow my lawn (time) or hire someone to do it (money)? > * Do I was my car (time) or hire someone to do it (money)? > * Do I program my own OS (time)

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-11 Thread Martin Schulze
Jérôme Marant wrote: > > > > hard on getting Debian better be funded similarily? I know that > > > > several people have lost their motivation to work on Debian as before > > > > (yes, others will hate me for writing this again) because of this. > > > > Some developers ask themselves already why t

Re: Improving the DAM-queue?

2006-10-11 Thread Martin Schulze
Bastian Venthur wrote: > Hi, > > Taking the data available on nm.debian.org, I've noticed that in the > last six months only 28 applicants became Debian Developers. This means > roughly every 6.4 days an applicant gets processed by a DAM. Cool! About 5 new developers per month. That's great! Th

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-11 Thread Martin Schulze
lief is that being jealous is wrong. Many people consider feelings/attitude of other people wrong. That doesn't remove their feelings, though. > If you, Martin Schulze, were given financial compensation to work full > time on key Debian taks, and you'd enjoy it, I'd be very happ

Re: Proposal: SPI as international money transfer service

2006-10-11 Thread Martin Schulze
Jérôme Marant wrote: > > > >It's also being discussed at the moment if/how money affects developers. > > > > > > > Well, lets make possible for money to come in, in the first place. > > > > In my opinion, money destroys. I believe it's already happening in > > Debian. However, many people don't

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-11 Thread Martin Schulze
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 09:58:45AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: > > Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > > Huh? I hate to be the one to break it to you, but many things life > > > boil down to a question of time or money. > > > > > &

Re: DWN

2006-10-16 Thread Martin Schulze
Andreas Barth wrote: > > 3) Possibly get some sort of team together (if there isn't one > > already) to work on reporting regularly. (If such team exists/is > > formed count me in :) > > You're welcome. Such a team exists in parts, as Martin (zobel) and I are > currently responsible, but we defini

Re: How could we give away Debian CDs/DVDs for free?

2006-10-18 Thread Martin Schulze
There is an organisation that tries to deliver gratis CDs/DVDs to end uses: http://www.infodrom.org/~joey/log/?200609101024 Regards, Joey -- Long noun chains don't automatically imply security. -- Bruce Schneier -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsub

Re: DWN

2006-10-18 Thread Martin Schulze
Martin Schulze wrote: > The only two items in the prepared but unreleased issue are from > Sebastian. I just noticed that my memory fooled me. One of these two items was from Thomas Viehmann. Credits where credits are due. Regards, Joey -- Long noun chains don't automati

Re: dwn futur (take 2)

2006-10-25 Thread Martin Schulze
Fabrice Lorrain wrote: > Hi Joey (Martin Schulze), > > In [1] you wrote "...Please understand that due to this there may be no > future issues of DWN in the current form or that they will only be > released less frequently." > > As a long time reader of DWN and

Re: Position Statement to the Dunc-Tanc "experiment"

2006-10-28 Thread Martin Schulze
Theodore Tso wrote: > Folks who are claiming that they are demotivated because two people > have volunteered to give up a full month of their time to take on a > job where they giving up something like 75% of their normal income --- > and the problem is that they gave up only 75% instead of 100% --

Re: Proposal: Handling of changelog bug closures in Debian derived distros

2006-11-14 Thread Martin Schulze
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > No, please don't/ It is one thing to patch dpkg to make things > easier for the derivatives (on the other hand, they can patch their > own version of dpkg), it is another to change how uplaods work in > Debian, or to reject uploads to Debian because one forgot a

Re: Hardware for Debian people

2006-12-09 Thread Martin Schulze
Andreas Schuldei wrote: > * Gustavo Franco ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [061209 01:16]: > > I would be glad to run one of the P4 or P3 to debian-desktop > > development purposes. Unfortunately, i'm in Brazil and a friend of > > mine (OpenBSD developer) had troubles when tried to receive some > > donated har

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