Re: Constitutional Amendment GR: Handling assets for the project

2006-07-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
can change that, and the constitution amendment would be required to marry the constitution with reality. What would the seconders feel about deleting this sentence from the proposed draft? manoj -- Leave bigotry in your quarters; there's no room for it on the bridge. Kir

Re: Constitutional Amendment GR: Handling assets for the project

2006-07-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
index, n.: Alphabetical list of words of no possible interest where an alphabetical list of subjects with references ought to be. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C pgpcymZQlGpTm.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Constitutional Amendment GR: Handling assets for the project

2006-07-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:21:56 +1000, Anthony Towns said: > On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 08:12:54PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> In order to bring the constitution in line with current needs and >> practices of handling assets globally, and allowing the projet to >> a

Re: Constitutional Amendment GR: Handling assets for the project

2006-07-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
First study the enemy. Seek weakness. Romulan Commander, "Balance of Terror", stardate 1709.2 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAI

Re: Constitutional Amendment GR: Handling assets for the project

2006-07-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
o see how such funds are being spent? manoj -- It is impossible for an optimist to be pleasantly surprised. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, em

Re: Constitutional Amendment GR: Handling assets for the project

2006-07-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Never eat at a place called Mom's. -- Nelson Algren Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Constitutional Amendment GR: Handling assets for the project

2006-07-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
loak of an "editorial changes" > GR (although I hear such cloaks are terribly fashionable these days, > I really don't think they work very well with the rest of Debian's > wardrobe. Wrong shade of green...). You, Sir, are an ass. *Plonk*. manoj -- A

Re: Constitutional Amendment GR: Handling assets for the project

2006-07-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:20:13 +0200, Bernhard R Link <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > * Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060723 23:50]: >> So not giving the SPI board oversight on how Debian conducts it's >> internal affairs is sending an unfortunate message? Perh

Re: Constitutional Amendment GR: Handling assets for the project

2006-07-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:50:53 +0100, Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava writes ("Re: Constitutional Amendment GR: Handling > assets for the project"): >> I am all for managing affairs between Debian and SPI in a >> civilised, friendly mann

Re: Constitutional Amendment GR: Handling assets for the project

2006-07-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:54:26 +0100, Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava writes ("Re: Constitutional Amendment GR: Handling > assets for the project"): >> As individuals, people who make up the board of SPI can already put >> in their input.

Re: Constitutional Amendment GR: Handling assets for the project

2006-07-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
on the spi mailing lists. Thanks for the clarification. manoj -- It is undignified for a woman to play servant to a man who is not hers. Spock, "Amok Time", stardate 3372.7 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 496

Re: package ownership in Debian

2006-07-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
especially if you force people to work in teams. manoj -- Why do they put Braille on the drive-through bank machines? George Carlin Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: package ownership in Debian

2006-07-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 02:49:34 +, Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On 7/29/06, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:11:03 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> >> > On Fri

Re: package ownership in Debian

2006-07-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
a >> = normal bug. It isn't that easy to figure out at first, but if >> well writtensomewhere (policy? developers reference?) could work. Why is a 0 day NMU not OK policy when a team is not maintaining a package well? If there is a bug in the package, it should be f

Re: package ownership in Debian

2006-07-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 16:09:06 +, Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On 7/29/06, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> If the person is sane and has a package that needs more help, the >> person get co-maintainers. ANd even then, sometimes, add

Re: package ownership in Debian

2006-07-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
First you chastize me for not speaking for myself, and then when someone does, you yell at them for doing so. Wonderful consistency :) manoj -- The cost of living has just gone up another dollar a quart. W.C. Fields Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://w

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-07-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Does that not mandate a a far more stringent template on ./debian/rules (no yada, no cdbs, select one of quilt/dpatch) and maintainer scripts (no Perl)? manoj -- "I like a man who grins when he fights." Winston Churchill Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> &l

Re: package ownership in Debian

2006-07-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:46:58 +, Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On 7/29/06, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 16:16:53 +, Gustavo Franco >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> >> > On 7/29/06, Matthe

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-07-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 22:35:52 +0200, Loïc Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Sat, Jul 29, 2006, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Does that not mandate a a far more stringent template on >> ./debian/rules (no yada, no cdbs, select one of quilt/dpatch) and >> maintainer

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-07-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
manoj -- I kissed my first girl and smoked my first cigarette on the same day. I haven't had time for tobacco since. -- Arturo Toscanini Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA D

Re: No more bugreports from me.

2006-08-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
not just the maintainer, wants to contact me about the issues I brought up. manoj -- Here is a test to find whether your mission on earth is finished: if you're alive, it isn't. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024D/BF244

Re: Constitutional Amendment GR: Handling assets for the project

2006-08-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
programming language is by writing programs in it. Brian Kernighan Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: Proposal: The DFSG do not require source code for data, including firmware

2006-08-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
nd common references. Calling firmware not programs is our own "special" definition of firmware, and or program, and hence must be defined explicitly in the DFSG. If we want to state that we only consider certain programs to be free, we ought to be upfront and clear about it

Re: Proposal: The DFSG do not require source code for data, including firmware

2006-08-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
eveloper longer than you have, and I actually was around when the DFSG was crafted, so my expectations are not as easily dismissed as someone who has but recently joined our community. manoj -- Alas, I am dying beyond my means. Oscar Wilde [as he sipped champagne on his deathbed] Manoj Srivas

Re: Proposal: The DFSG do not require source code for data, including firmware

2006-08-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:23:29 -0700, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Tue, Aug 22, 2006 at 06:19:08PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:18:04 -0700, Steve Langasek >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> > Hi folks, Ever since th

Re: Proposal: The DFSG do not require source code for data, including firmware

2006-08-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
permanently in read-only memory [syn: {microcode}] The Jargon file: Embedded software contained in EPROM or flash memory. -- Did you hear that two rabbits escaped from the zoo and so far they have only recaptured 116 of them? Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Proposal: The DFSG do not require source code for data, including firmware

2006-08-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
to the foundation documents to disambiguate; why are we not doing the same now? manoj -- I don't wanna argue, and I don't wanna fight, But there will definitely be a party tonight... Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024

Re: Constitutional Amendment GR: Handling assets for the project

2006-09-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:22:08 +1000, Anthony Towns said: > On Tue, Aug 22, 2006 at 11:46:54AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Yet another draft. There are major changes in this version, so I >> think we'll need to have people who seconded re-second the version >&

Draft ballot for the assets constitutional GR

2006-09-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
hFZ -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- arch-tag: 615dfee8-cb4e-49ed-b50b-be13de9d4645 -- To do two things at once is to do neither. Publilius Syrus Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: Draft ballot for the assets constitutional GR

2006-09-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:56:02 +0100, MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Note that this is a draft, voting is not yet open. Any comments >> need to be in fast, though. > Could you name the amendment on the ballot, please? &qu

Re: Draft ballot for the assets constitutional GR

2006-09-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:56:02 +0100, MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Note that this is a draft, voting is not yet open. Any comments >> need to be in fast, though. > Could you name the amendment on the ballot, please? &qu

Re: The Sourceless software in the kernel source GR

2006-09-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
l you will find on the mailing list archives. manoj -- "Are you sure you're not an encyclopedia salesman?" No, Ma'am. Just a burglar, come to ransack the flat." -- Monty Python Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivast

Re: The Sourceless software in the kernel source GR

2006-09-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:03:11 -0700, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 05:32:10PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:36:17 -0700, Steve Langasek >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> > For the record, this

Re: The Sourceless software in the kernel source GR

2006-09-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:03:11 -0700, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 05:32:10PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:36:17 -0700, Steve Langasek >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> > For the record, this

Re: The Sourceless software in the kernel source GR

2006-09-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:46:50 -0700, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:03:11 -0700, Steve Langasek >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> > On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 05:32:10PM -0500, Manoj

Re: The Sourceless software in the kernel source GR

2006-09-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:40:08 +0200, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 10:27:12PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Proponents of various various amendments to the GR should feel free >> to send me a couple of paragrap

Filibustering general resolutions

2006-09-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
doing anything about it, of course. But now, any GR has a veto contingent of only 6 developers. manoj -- Let's say the docs present a simplified view of reality... :-) --Larry Wall in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org

Re: Filibustering general resolutions

2006-09-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:15:14 +1000, Pascal Hakim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Tue, Sep 19, 2006 at 10:09:04AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Due to a loop hole in the constitution, any group of 6 Debian >> developers can delay any general resolut

Re: Filibustering general resolutions

2006-09-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:13:41 +0200, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] >> And people tell me I am guilty of egregious abuse of power? > Bla. >> This is just a bunch of concerned develop

Re: Filibustering general resolutions

2006-09-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:21:40 -0400, Benj Mako Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> quote who="Manoj Srivastava" date="Tue, Sep 19, 2006 at 10:09:04AM >> -0500"> >> The project should decide how it wants to handle filibustering, if >> it feels

Re: The Sourceless software in the kernel source GR

2006-09-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
he full email, including such material. Since it is your view that the secretary can't decide to elide parts pf the text that has been properly proposed and seconded, I don't understand what you are crying about here. Seems like I'm damned if I do, and damned if I don't.

Re: The Sourceless software in the kernel source GR

2006-09-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:39:01 -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Seems like I'm damned if I do, and damned if I don't. > It seems to me as if what happened was: > You thought the "p

Re: Filibustering general resolutions

2006-09-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:07:58 +0100, Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava writes ("Filibustering general resolutions"): >> Due to a loop hole in the constitution, any group of 6 Debian >> developers can delay any general resolution indefini

Re: The Sourceless software in the kernel source GR

2006-09-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 21:56:25 -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> What is an issue is that a sloppy proposal mail may have mislead >> the sponsors to believe that a preamble was an introductory >>

Re: Filibustering general resolutions

2006-09-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:39:03 +0300, Kalle Kivimaa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Instead, after 4-6 weeks beyond the date of the priginal proposal, >> allow for 4*K developers to cut the proposal time short (say, >> i

Interpreting the constitution on discussion periods

2006-09-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
d independent resolutions do not have to go on the same ballot, and if the project has to live with serial GR's, so be it. manoj -- There are two ways to write error-free programs; only the third one works. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta

State of the GR's: Part 1 -- Recall the project leader

2006-09-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ature from AD295AE1D75F8533 Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:03:16 +0200 Bad signature from AD295AE1D75F8533 Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Peter's hungry, time to eat lunch. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

[AMENDMENT]: Release Etch now, with source-less but legal and freely licensed firmware

2006-09-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ream under a license that complies with the DFSG. ` -- You are destined to become the commandant of the fighting men of the department of transportation. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 92

Re: DPL caretaking

2006-10-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Java programm will reliably and obviously crash, whereas the C Program will do something obscure -- Java Language Tutorial Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
g someone to help out on a debian task; trying to eliminate the distinction is specious. manoj -- "I've been trey-dueced." An Algonquinite with a hand of threes and twos Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
there are too many economic pundits and forecasters and has decided on an excess prophets tax. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
miracle: an extremely outstanding or unusual event, thing, or accomplishment. Webster's Dictionary Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Policy delegation

2006-10-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
titution. manoj -- If someone had told me I would be Pope one day, I would have studied harder. Pope John Paul I Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.golden-gryphon.com/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCR

Re: Proposal to delay the decition of the DPL of the withdrawal of the Package Policy Committee delegation

2006-10-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
making normative changes to the policy, and then the maintainers of the policy package can take that and upload the changed policy, as one scenario. manoj -- QOTD: "I used to go to UCLA, but then my Dad got a job." Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.deb

Re: Proposal to delay the decition of the DPL of the withdrawal of the Package Policy Committee delegation

2006-10-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
y recuse myself and delegate the power. manoj -- After all is said and done, a hell of a lot more is said than done. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: Proposal to delay the decition of the DPL of the withdrawal of the Package Policy Committee delegation

2006-10-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:08:48 +0100, Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava writes ("Re: Proposal to delay the decition of the > DPL of the withdrawal of the Package Policy Committee delegation"): >> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:28:51 +0100, Ian Jackson

Re: Note to "Did you already MOO today..."

2006-11-10 Thread Manoj Srivastava
_any_ religion a joke. I don't think it is correct to sit in judgement and say which belief has merit and which is a joke. And once you start with MOOism, where do you stop? Is pastafarianism and the FSM next? > Please tell me, if this comment in this program can be made less > a

Re: Open Letter to Anthony Towns about the d-i mediation ...

2006-11-10 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ery few, in any case). On the flip side, increasing the number of packages one maintains does not necessarily get one into the cabal :) manoj -- You have a tendency to feel you are superior to most computers. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/>

Re: Open Letter to Anthony Towns about the d-i mediation ...

2006-11-10 Thread Manoj Srivastava
re, > Just relativating... I think this reinforces my point about quality of contribution to the discussion, and perception of the person's judgement and collegiality. manoj -- "The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if

Re: Note to "Did you already MOO today..."

2006-11-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
? manoj -- Perilous to all of us are the devices of an art deeper than we ourselves possess. -- Gandalf the Grey [J.R.R. Tolkien, "Lord of the Rings"] Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Proposal: Handling of changelog bug closures in Debian derived distros

2006-11-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
another to change how uplaods work in Debian, or to reject uploads to Debian because one forgot add the debian origin. manoj -- The trouble with opportunity is that it always comes disguised as hard work. Herbert V. Prochnow Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.

Re: Delete my message on one Debian List Please

2006-12-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ould be. According to my recent stats, I only accept about 25% of the mail thrown at my server (half of the rest is rejected as Spam, the other half is grey-listed. Of the quarter that I do accept, there is still some Spam, but I prefer to be conservative. I have not seen a Spam in the last two

Re: Upcoming relaeas

2007-01-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
the release date depends on the rate differential between opening and closing release critical bugs, and there is no sure way of predicting that. manoj -- Three may keep a secret, if two of them are dead. Benjamin Franklin Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~

Re: Social Committee proposal

2007-01-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:11:36 +0100, Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Hi, This idea arose from a discussion on the -private mailing list. > Andreas Tille, Gustavo Franco, Manoj Srivastava and Gunnar Wolf all > commented fairly positively on a vague idea of having a social &

Re: Social Committee proposal

2007-01-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 01:07:30 +0200, Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On to, 2007-01-25 at 16:27 -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Why don't I think it is a good idea? Well, because, unlike >> technical issues, social issues are very subjective. Also, so

Re: Social Committee proposal

2007-01-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Frankly, a ctte that enforces things like the dev-ref scares the living daylights out of me. manoj -- "I am ... a woman ... and ... technically a parasitic uterine growth" Sean Doran the Younger Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Social Committee proposal

2007-01-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ial/cultural values, by majority rule if need be, and eventually enforce them". And that brings me full circle; leaning on the skeptical side of indifference to this proposal, but willing to cut the proponents some slack, and give them some rope. manoj -- The trouble with sup

Re: Social Committee proposal

2007-01-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
the tyranny of the majority, I am sorry to say. If we do have a social committee, there should be some guidelines to protect the cultural rights of minorities, and to favour diversity as opposed to the monoculture our mostly white, euopean-descended, male voting population represen

Re: Social Committee proposal

2007-01-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 02:25:40 +0100, Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 07:06:33PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> > I should also note that we have this sort of an effect already - >> > if someone wishes to impose their ideas on others, f

Re: Social Committee proposal

2007-01-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:03:26 -0800, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 05:55:03PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Voting implies the tyranny of the majority; and I would expect the >> social and cultural norms to be heavily biase

Re: Social Committee proposal

2007-01-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 10:08:14 +0100, Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 09:07:34PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> You see, the committee is going to define the norms. It is going to >> lay down the acceptable cultural mores. In my experience

Re: Social Committee proposal

2007-01-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 08:19:59 -0200, Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On 1/26/07, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 05:55:03PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> > > We can determine social policy by discussion and, if

Re: Social Committee proposal

2007-01-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:26:37 +, Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On to, 2007-01-25 at 18:34 -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> But the dev-ref is optional -- last time I read it, I did not find >> it very useful tome, and I disagreed with a lot of its dictums

Re: Social Committee proposal

2007-01-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:21:44 +, Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On pe, 2007-01-26 at 13:35 -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> But this is the problem. It is called selective enforcement > I thought it was called showing compassion and understanding and > emp

Re: Social Committee proposal

2007-01-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:25:44 +, Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On pe, 2007-01-26 at 14:42 -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> And yet, below, you are the first to call me names. > Yes, I apologize for that. Sorry. > I'm still convinced that you're d

Dissent and multiple viewpoints

2007-01-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
f the social committe types are only looking for dutiful, "yes whatever you say, boss" kinda commentary, I guess I'm outa here. manoj -- 'Ooohh.. "FreeBSD is faster over loopback, when compared to Linux over the wire". Film at 11.' -- Linus Torvalds Ma

Re: Social Committee proposal

2007-01-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:49:37 +0100, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:21:44 +, Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> said: >>> On pe, 2007-01-26 at

Re: Social Committee proposal

2007-01-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
end-of-an-elected-body brief. manoj -- Where there's a will, there's a relative. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Social Committee proposal

2007-01-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
week away from start of nominations for the DPL, yes. manoj -- "If you ever want to get anywhere in politics, my boy, you're going to have to get a toehold in the public eye." Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF244

Re: Social Committee proposal

2007-01-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
be civil; but I don't know how effective mandatory civility is, nor how enforceable that rule could be. Smacks too much of thoughtcrime, perhaps :) manoj Thinking idly of the ministry of love -- "It isn't easy being a fat narcissist." Jackie Gleason M

Re: Social Committee proposal

2007-01-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 18:41:17 +0100, Bernhard R Link <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > * Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070127 16:49]: >> * Argumentum ad hominem is never acceptable, please respond to the >> issue at hand. > I think one should be careful with s

Re: Social Committee proposal

2007-01-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:11:28 +0100, Bernhard R Link <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > * Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070130 06:48]: >> > I think one should be careful with such a rule, as "ad hominem" >> > is quite overused. >> >> Argum

Re: how to donate free program for Debian?

2007-01-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
something _might_ violate some unidentified patent somewhere is not something that has been used to keep packages out of Debian. manoj -- Ever wonder if taxation without representation might have been cheaper? Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta

Re: Social Committee proposal text (diff)

2007-02-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
stop other people from doing the task -- no active work against, etc). Do similar clauses apply to the soc ctte? (If not, this is a significantly stronger power) manoj -- How many WASPs does it take to change a light bulb? Two. One to change the bulb and one to mix the drinks.

Re: Social Committee proposal text (diff)

2007-02-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
with the possibility of taking it behind closed doors (like happens in court systems here). Closed star chambers are not what we are shooting for here. manoj -- [He] took me into his library and showed me his books, of which he had a complete set. -- Ring Lardner Manoj Srivastava <[EMA

Re: Criteria for a successful DPL board

2007-02-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Is this a real problem? Has any ex-DPL actually stated that they ran out of time? manoj -- Where are the calculations that go with a calculated risk? Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093

Re: Criteria for a successful DPL board

2007-02-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
nd my head." Thomas Alva Edison Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Developers vs Uploaders

2007-03-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
e project. I find that a startling conclusion, and I am wondering if I misunderstood, or should we really open the floodgates to uninspected code, on the grounds that inspections buy us little, if anything? manoj -- The worst is not so long as we can say "This is the worst.&q

Re: Developers vs Uploaders

2007-03-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 12:28:22 -0700, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Wed, 21 Mar 2007, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> The implication, unless I am misreading things here, is that code >> reviews and inspection of upstream changes are ineffectual. Given >> that

Re: Developers vs Uploaders

2007-03-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:12:39 -0700, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Wed, 21 Mar 2007, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Buffer overflows are _still_ being exploited, decades after it is >> known that unchecked user input fed to memory allocated on the >> st

Re: Developers vs Uploaders

2007-03-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:47:12 +0100, Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Wed, 21 Mar 2007, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> The argument, if I can follow the htread, is about people who >> review every line of code, like myself, for all new upstream, and >> anyth

Re: ideas....

2007-04-07 Thread Manoj Srivastava
lost, including comments. Even if the changes were made by just using vi. Secondly, do not expect that every confi file is ever going to change to one common config format. If that is done, then the gui tool might even be useful. manoj -- You can't have everything. Wher

Re: ideas....

2007-04-07 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ebian recieves investment. And the implicit assumptrion being that injection of monetary rewards into a volunteer activity is de-facto OK, which is a viewpoint not shared by everyone. manoj -- When the English language gets in my way, I walk over it. Billy Sunday Manoj Sriv

Re: ideas....

2007-04-08 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 08:55:25 +0200, Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Sat, Apr 07, 2007 at 11:41:43PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Being paid based on popularity does not alter the fact that some >> subset of people are being paid

Re: Social committee proposal

2007-06-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ill find wide acceptance > amongst the DDs (provided that devotee is able to process to different > ballots in one mail). Sorry, no, not as currently implemented. Two different ballots for different votes currently need to go to different addresses. manoj -- Convention is

Re: A bit of history

2007-06-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
or submitting a key into the keyring. And not dpkg-buldpackage. manoj -- "One man's Mede is another man's Persian." A member of the Algonquin Round Table Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493

Re: A bit of history

2007-06-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
e a contributor/maintainer - packaged software, joined a team, >signed up as NM. 18 Nov 1995 (this is what I consider as my starting date) > 4. Officially joined - passed NM. I have never passed NM. manoj -- It is so soon that I am done for, I wonder what I was

Re: soc-ctte discussion at DebConf7

2007-06-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
? manoj -- The girl who remembers her first kiss now has a daughter who can't even remember her first husband. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: soc-ctte discussion at DebConf7

2007-06-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
umber of candidates desired has been reached. manoj -- Moore's Constant: Everybody sets out to do something, and everybody does something, but no one does what he sets out to do. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C pri

Re: soc-ctte discussion at DebConf7

2007-06-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:27:40 -0700, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 02:37:46PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> The first set of comments I have is related to efficacy, and, >> perhaps, the notion of fairness. There is a fundamental di

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