Re: Debian contributor Register of Interests

2017-05-10 Thread Dr. Bas Wijnen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 11:51:23PM +, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On May 9, 2017 8:09:28 AM EDT, Ian Jackson > wrote: > >Jonathan Dowland wrote: > >> However in the interests of transparency I feel that a voluntary, > >> opt-in "Register of Intere

Re: Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service

2017-08-06 Thread Dr. Bas Wijnen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Aug 05, 2017 at 09:38:45AM -0400, Paul Wise wrote: > > No, at worst this is misuse of Debian resources for commercial gain - > > i.e. using long description field for advertising a non-free service. > > I got the impression that Faidon is not

Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service

2017-08-07 Thread Dr. Bas Wijnen
On Sun, Aug 06, 2017 at 02:15:17PM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote: > ❦ 4 août 2017 20:03 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard  : > > No, at worst this is misuse of Debian ressources for commercial gain - > > i.e. using long description field for advertising a non-free service. > > We have all kind of software

Re: Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service

2017-08-07 Thread Dr. Bas Wijnen
On Tue, Aug 08, 2017 at 02:25:51AM +0800, Shengjing Zhu wrote: > The description of s3cmd is outdated. It's *not* useless without AWS. > It can be used with self-hosted S3 protocol compatible service, such > as Ceph RGW, minio[1]. Both are free softwares, and Ceph is in our > main archive. Ah, tha

Re: Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service

2017-08-09 Thread Dr. Bas Wijnen
On Tue, Aug 08, 2017 at 07:58:06AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Mon, 07 Aug 2017, Dr. Bas Wijnen wrote: > > Ah, that's good then! Still, I think its description has the same > > problem as certspotter, namely that it recommends the use of a > > non-free service. In

Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service

2017-08-11 Thread Dr. Bas Wijnen
First of all, a clarification: This post (like most in this thread) is primarily about Debian's philosophy, not about certspotter (but I do talk about that at the end as well). For this reason, I'm not CC'ing the bug. On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 05:26:58PM -0400, Faidon Liambotis wrote: > On Fri, Aug

Are online services also software for Debian's rules?

2017-08-12 Thread Dr. Bas Wijnen
On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 08:55:01AM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote: > ❦ 12 août 2017 06:29 GMT, "Dr. Bas Wijnen"  : > > > That is a disservice to our users. While for many users this is true, those > > users will have contrib (and probably non-free) enabled in their >

Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules?

2017-08-12 Thread Dr. Bas Wijnen
On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 09:55:17AM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote: > ❦ 12 août 2017 07:37 GMT, "Dr. Bas Wijnen"  : > > Your argument seems to be: > > > > Debian cares about free software. > > Therefore, Debian does not enable contrib and non-free by default. >

Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules?

2017-08-13 Thread Dr. Bas Wijnen
On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 12:07:51PM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote: > ❦ 12 août 2017 09:12 GMT, "Dr. Bas Wijnen"  : > > No, it doesn't. 2.2.1 says "None of the packages in the main archive area > > require software outside of that area to function." In othe

Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules?

2017-08-14 Thread Dr. Bas Wijnen
On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 05:28:29PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Miles Fidelman writes: > > > Getting past all the obfuscatory count and counterpoint, there seem to > > be two clear questions on the table: > > > 1. Given a piece of FOSS client software, that has no purpose other > > than to inte

Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules?

2017-08-14 Thread Dr. Bas Wijnen
On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 08:51:06AM -0400, Holger Levsen wrote: > you are running this on a computer with non-free software (*). Should > everything > now be in contrib? No, I explained before that I think we should be pragmatic. > Or can we maybe rather bury this thread? I do not see how "you r

Re: Automatic downloading of non-free software by stuff in main

2017-12-02 Thread Dr. Bas Wijnen
On Fri, Dec 01, 2017 at 06:09:12AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 01:52:18PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > > Over the years, d-legal has discussed a number of packages which > > automatically download non-free software, under some circumstances. > > > > The obvious example is

Re: Debian and Non-Free Services

2019-09-12 Thread Dr. Bas Wijnen
On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 07:49:26PM +0200, Ansgar wrote: > > Subject: Free Software Needs Free Tools > > > > No Debian contributor should be expected or encouraged, when working > > to improve Debian, to use non-free tools. > > Does this include: > > - non-free firmware on Debian hardware,

Re: Banning Norbert Preining from planet.d.o

2022-03-24 Thread Dr. Bas Wijnen
This entire thread makes me worry quite a bit about the current state of Debian, so I feel the need to respond to several posts in it. Tl;dr: Debian should be a project where everyone can feel comfortable to contribute. That is not possible if we allow bullying to stand unchallenged. On Wed, Mar