Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 01:36:16PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
>>> count me in.
>
>> me too. Obviously we need to force the release team to talk with the
>> important teams in Debian. If i'd have to come up with a GR it would
>> probab
27;s not a plus. That is what one would expect. A plus would be to have a
better quality.
> + [Please invent more concrete benefits for Debian developers and
> users.]
>
> Perhaps I'm being too pessimistic. After all what do I know? I'm not a
> Debian developer, jus
cept that more and more people
who are active in Ubuntu realized that it is much better to do things in Debian
directly.
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es and they're investing a lot of work into the
> kernel, from which we could profit immensely.
Ack. Or at least Fedora.
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bian gets important things much much later than Ubuntu.
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Ana Guerrero wrote:
> I have setup http://news.debian.net/ where I intend to publish and link
[...]
> Hope you like it.
The idea is really good in general, but I - and probably a lot of other
developers - would have preferred if you'd be using ikiwiki and a public git on
alioth.
Mark Brown wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 04:13:03PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
>
>> I rarely hear anything positive from Ubuntu, except that more and more people
>> who are active in Ubuntu realized that it is much better to do things in
>> Debian
>> dir
it is
often really worth the work to have a look what they're doing. At the end this
will help Ubuntu, too - if they manage to change their freeze time to an
appropriate date similar to the one of Debian.
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ensured that Ubuntu *AND* Debian profit from it, it would be
good to have. Unfortunately various Ubuntu-related things had imho a pretty bad
influence on Debian (I'm saving the time to repeat them here, there are enough
mails from various people from the last days stating the
gt; other companies which use Opera at their devices - by this case we still
> can't to be a real free Software.
It would be *really* amazing if Opera would become free software. The browser is
really awesome, but as it is not open-source software, I rarely use it.
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on't even have the time/manpower to take care of their bugs? Taking care
of bugs is something that should be done properly in every distribution.
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t before the freeze.
There is nothing bad with a fixed freeze date. Just with the way it was planned
for December.
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Michael Banck wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 10:55:36AM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:38:56 +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
>
>>> How does Ubuntu want to do a proper (commercial) support for their packages
>>> if
>>> they don
#x27;m not sure it will happen, but I fear it
> would.
That happens already. See the Python 2.6 migration for a lot of bad examples...
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Luk Claes wrote:
> Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
>> Sandro Tosi wrote:
>>
>>> what can happen is that he prepare a rough solution, sent to debian in
>>> a sense "hey, take it, I've done my work, it's an ugly hack but I have
>>> no time to prepare
sts.debian.org/debian-python/2009/08/msg00003.html
Cheers,
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it - or you'd have to do other ugly things...
> AFAICT, the real problem is that after unpack many python modules do not
> work as they use symlink hackery in the postinst.
What do you mean exactly? Could you point me to an example?
The only problem I s
d will file and handle bug reports
in the name of both of them if that will bring things forward.
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t; These two only seem to occur when insserv is removed, and since it is now
> pseudo-essential that should never happen, IOW: IMO they are not grave (I
> do agree that they should be addressed, though).
Wrong. People who want to switch away from sys-rc/insserv need to be able to
r
y are relying on an inferior system and the fact that they are used to
> it doesn't change anything on its inferior design.
No, decimal numbers are the superior design here as they just work without any
magic. One of the reasons I migrated away from SuSE long time ago was the mess
called i
still have some rough patches at the moment,
> and I think these are documented in the BTS and I have every confidence that
> they will be addressed. But I think "insserv doesn't permit removal" is the
> least important of these.
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opers at large considers that a feature, but
> | rather a very grave bug.
>
> Downgrades have never been officially supported, though. Isn't this
> approximately the same thing?
We're not talking about a downgrade here, but about removing a package.
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t conflicts with the essential sysvinit package…
Did anybody check if upstart and runit still work with insserv?
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Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Aug 2009, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
>> No, decimal numbers are the superior design here as they just work without
>> any
>> magic. One of the reasons I migrated away from SuSE long time ago was the
>> mess
>> called insserv...
>
Russ Allbery wrote:
> Bernd Zeimetz writes:
>
>> - it was never properly discussed and accepted before. If we switch to a
>> dependency based boot system, why to this mess from SuSE called insserv?
>
> There was a *ton* of discussion of insserv across multiple mailing
ou file a bug about the things which did not work well in file-rc? I can't
see anything missing in file-rc, it just works well.
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the .debian.org domain, you should contact the owner of the domain. If you have
problems with an official Debian mirror or any other machine with a .debian.org
address, please let us know.
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andle something like data.d.o is a completely different
question.
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on why we should not be able to ship cd-images in "non-free". If debian does
not do so officially, I might provide them somewhere.
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On 05/06/2010 07:22 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 11:26:55PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
>> I can't see a reason why we should not be able to ship cd-images in
>> "non-free".
>
> What do you exactly mean by that?
> I can imagine at
ual USB
> device with a hd-media boot image, and put the firmwares on the same
> image.
Right. It works, but it is an annoying extra step to do. And I had more than one
customer asking me why Debian is forcing them to do such an extra step and why
they should not just use Ubuntu.
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On 05/10/2010 01:50 AM, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
>
>> Right. It works, but it is an annoying extra step to do. And I had more than
>> one
>> customer asking me why Debian is forcing them to do such an extra step and
>&g
ot;Debian with non-free firmwarez included". Then,
> after two releases we can look at the download statistics and see, if we want
> to continue that...
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roblem. A lot of modern "enterprise" network
hardware (like the Broadcom Netextreme) requires non-free firmware.
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On 05/12/2010 09:41 PM, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
>> On 05/12/2010 04:27 PM, Martin Schulze wrote:
>>> I would like us to provide non-free firmware blobs that may be
>>> required during installation in tarballs that can be downloaded or -
>>
>
On 05/13/2010 04:18 AM, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
>
>> Using only 'free' software might make them happier, but the first thing
>> people
>> look for is less pain in the ass while installing and maintaining a syst
son to
upload it to pypi or other platforms.
Also the bug you've linked clearly states that Debian and other
distributions can name their packages as they like to
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