Re: Branding for Debian derivatives -- "Debian Distilled"

2006-07-30 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 03:41:27PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > As a more general comment: please avoid logos made by people with no > design clue (I'm fully in the category "people with no design clue at > all"). Don't get me wrong: I fully appreciate the efforts made by > people to mock up

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-07-30 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 10:04:09AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > I think I would prefer: > > 1. Create patch > > 2. Send patch to BTS (with intent to NMU notice) > 3. Give time for maintainer to respond > > 4. Upload to N-day delayed queue (where N can be determined based on > >sev

Re: Packages awaiting proposed-updates moderation

2006-08-02 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 10:50:25AM +0200, Lo?c Minier wrote: > On Wed, Aug 02, 2006, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: > > for those who wonder why their package did not yet hit proposed-updates, > > they want to have a look on [1] and [2]. > I don't quite understand the various steps that a package trave

Re: Packages awaiting proposed-updates moderation

2006-08-02 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 02:51:27PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > I think this list misses a step: > - package gets built for other architectures by buildds Good point. It fits in: On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 08:32:55PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > 1. Package gets uploaded (queue/unchecked) >

Re: How to best reach the users of a package?

2006-08-06 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Aug 06, 2006 at 03:57:22PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Roland Mas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Yeah, I hadn't thought of that. But, ehm, since news bits can be > > classified per source package, they could be generated once a day, fed > > to dak and friends, in the pool and pushed

Re: Constitutional Amendment GR: Handling assets for the project

2006-08-09 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Jul 21, 2006 at 06:05:38PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Sorry these comments are quite so delayed. > However, given my track record WRT editorial changes to > foundation documents, people ought to be examining this draft > _before_ the vote rather than afterwards :) On behalf

Re: Constitutional Amendment GR: Handling assets for the project

2006-08-10 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 09:00:23PM +0200, Adrian von Bidder wrote: > On Wednesday 09 August 2006 17:03, Anthony Towns wrote: > [publish decisions about where money goes] > > Hrm. I don't know if we should do the "announce publicly" requirement > > yet -- that woul

Re: Proposal: The DFSG do not require source code for data, including firmware

2006-08-23 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 01:28:35AM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: > [Steve Langasek] > > That's an interesting point. Can you elaborate on how you see this > > being a loophole, in a sense that having the firmware on a ROM > > wouldn't also be? > The day Debian begins to distribute ROM chips, or de

Re: Proposal: The DFSG do not require source code for data, including firmware

2006-08-23 Thread Anthony Towns
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 05:38:07PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > Note that while Peter is currently in the n-m queue (on hold pending > > further response to T&S checks apparently), he's not yet a developer, > > and his expectations shouldn't be inferred to

Re: Proposal: The DFSG do not require source code for data, including firmware

2006-08-23 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 12:32:46PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > Well, the only one who could claim that his views have some representativity > of the project as a whole is you, everyone else is just expressing his own > opinion, be he a DD or a guy from NM or some random poster. Anyone can claim th

Re: Proposal: The DFSG do not require source code for data, including firmware

2006-08-23 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 12:03:17PM +0200, Floris Bruynooghe wrote: > On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 05:38:07PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > Note that while Peter is currently in the n-m queue (on hold pending > > further response to T&S checks apparently), he's not yet

Re: Proposal: The DFSG do not require source code for data, including firmware

2006-08-23 Thread Anthony Towns
Followups set to -vote; why are we cc'ing this across multiple lists? On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 03:01:52PM +0200, Jacobo Tarrio wrote: > El mi?rcoles, 23 de agosto de 2006 a las 21:24:16 +1000, Anthony Towns > escrib?a: > > We choose to apply the DFSG both to the components that

Re: Proposal: The DFSG do not require source code for data, including firmware

2006-08-28 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 10:02:35PM -0400, Michael Poole wrote: > Recent history -- in particular, GR 2006-001's winning option -- > suggests that broad DFSG exemptions, when treated as clarifications or > interpretations of the project, are not necessarily so clear-cut about > requiring a 3:1 super

Re: Constitutional Amendment GR: Handling assets for the project

2006-09-01 Thread Anthony Towns
eek and a half without further comment, and has been seconded by: Don Armstrong martin f krafft Anthony Towns Adrian von Bidder Kalle Kivimaa Anibal Monsalve Salazar which makes it formal, afaics. Are we right to move to a vote this coming Tuesday? Cheers, aj signature.a

Re: Branding for Debian derivatives

2006-09-05 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Jul 29, 2006 at 04:59:58PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > (a) a nice logo standing for "based on Debian", that derivatives > can use So a little over a month later [0], here's all the ideas we have so far: 1) "Foo Linux" is Debian --

DPL caretaking

2006-10-02 Thread Anthony Towns
t the same time as my term as DPL. (e) Debian Auditor Kalle Kivimaa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is delegated the role of Debian Auditor. Requests by the Debian Auditor for any information regarding assets, income, expenditures, and any other financial related information are to be treated as having the full autho

Re: Bits from the DPL: Looking forward

2006-10-02 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 03:39:20PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > BSPs in Vienna (Switzerland) [3], I was assuming, of course, that "Switzerland" was some foreign word meaning "snowy place", but apparently it's actually a country all of its own, entirely separate t

Re: DPL caretaking

2006-10-03 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 04:13:58PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > So 5 or Q or whatever it is people can block the DPL from doing anything > for 1 or 2 months just by proposing a recall? Isn't that broken? Nah, I'm just treating it as a semi-vacation. I figure that anything important enough for that to

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-11 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 10:15:00PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: > > Yet, if you are able to make Debian your "client", then you can do that > > which you enjoy *and* get paid for it. With my list, I was trying to > That would involve taking over the person of either Andreas Barth or > Steve Langa

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-11 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 03:00:02PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > The RMs personally are in a privileged position for requesting > funding: The RMs didn't request funding. > their role within Debian is critical for the whole project; Plenty of people run unstable, and it's often been mooted that w

Policy delegation

2006-10-24 Thread Anthony Towns
o help maintain policy is encouraged and welcome to do so, following the guidelines in policy-process for proposing and uploading changes. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns Debian Project Leader signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Policy delegation

2006-10-25 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Oct 24, 2006 at 11:27:47PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > But since we did have a delegation for almost two years now, [...] (Err, 23 June 2005 to 24th Oct 2006 is 16 months, which doesn't really make "almost two years") Cheers, aj signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Policy delegation

2006-10-25 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Oct 24, 2006 at 11:27:47PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Given that there is no delegated power to change the technical > policy, I can only see that the technical policy may be changed by a > GR, or by the technical committee. 6. Technical committee I think you're mistaken, a

Re: Position Statement to the Dunc-Tanc "experiment"

2006-10-26 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 08:37:43PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > Just let me pick the NEW queue: Has it been stated publicly that > ftpmaster is going to reduce work spent on NEW due to dunc tank? Have > ftpmaster considered to accept offers to take over some of the work > load they are not motivated

Re: Position Statement to the Dunc-Tanc "experiment"

2006-10-27 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 09:40:24AM +0200, Thomas Viehmann wrote: > If at least any NEW queue package information was accessible, people > could take an interest. If there's a problem with allowing access to the > new packages themselves, cool, but there used to be at least some > information on mer

Re: Position Statement to the Dunc-Tanc "experiment"

2006-10-27 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 10:26:43AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > > For the record, I haven't seen any such offers, and I've been looking > > for them since May or so. > For the record, I haven't seen a request for help issued by ftpmaster, http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/06/msg00019.html

Response to "Position Statement to the Dunc-Tanc "experiment""

2006-10-27 Thread Anthony Towns
Hi all, I'm posting this to d-d-a since it doesn't make sense to me to answer questions in a different forum to where they've been raised. It's already been pointed out [0] that this sort of discussion isn't appropriate for -devel-announce, so I'll try to keep it brief. Followups to -project [1],

Policy (re)delegation

2006-11-01 Thread Anthony Towns
cy, both individually and collectively. Cheers, aj [0] http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/MaintainerScripts [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00017.html -- Anthony Towns Debian Project Leader signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Proposal: Handling of changelog bug closures in Debian derived distros

2006-11-14 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 08:11:01AM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: > foo (1.0-2naibed2) quux; urgency=low, origin=naibed > foo (1.0-2naibed1) quux; urgency=low, origin=naibed > foo (1.0-2) unstable; urgency=high Neat. Presumably Debian should REJECT uploads with an Origin: field other than "debian",

Re: Debian Weekly News - November 28th, 2006

2006-12-06 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 04:46:37PM +, Stephen Gran wrote: > It has been jokingly said that the DPL > could be replaced with a mailbot that just replies "That sounds like a > good idea. Why don't you try it?" Wow, that sounds like a good idea! Cheers, aj signature.asc Description: Digital

Re: Debian Etch Stable.

2006-12-11 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 03:13:15PM +0100, Alexis Sukrieh wrote: > Russ Allbery a ?crit : > >>Hi, would like to know which day of December will be launched and > >>version of the Debian Etch Stable. > >So would we. :) > >The only answer we can give you is "when it's ready," which may or may not > >

Re: Debian Etch Stable.

2006-12-11 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 08:38:05AM +0100, Alexis Sukrieh wrote: > Anthony Towns a ?crit : > >Personally, I'd say that now would be the time for any anti-payment > >people to say "we can do this better, and look, we'll prove it", and make > >up their own

Re: Debian Etch Stable.

2006-12-12 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 09:11:31AM +0100, Julien BLACHE wrote: > Anthony Towns wrote: > > Personally, I'd say that now would be the time for any anti-payment > > people to say "we can do this better, and look, we'll prove it", and make > > up their own

Re: Debian Etch Stable.

2006-12-12 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 09:56:33AM +, MJ Ray wrote: > > In the context of an experiment to > > find out whether paying people to do Debian work can be useful, it'd > > certainly provide some useful information as to whether there are better > > alternatives for encouraging contributions and get

Re: Debian Etch Stable.

2006-12-12 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 12:11:07PM +0100, Sam Hocevar wrote: >It looks to me that you are now asking others to set up the > experimental protocol you failed to deliver when the "experiment" was > being discussed. As of now, anything that might happen can be reused for > a Dunc-Tank PR explainin

Re: Debian Etch Stable.

2006-12-13 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 01:00:38PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > As far as I remember, the experiment has two steps, paying Steve for a > month and paying Andi for a month. Steve's month is already over, and > Andi is like in his third week. So - again - as far as I remember > there is only one week o

Re: Debian Etch Stable.

2006-12-13 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 01:24:32PM +, MJ Ray wrote: > > Actually, I believe you'll find that that wasn't even put forward as a > > metric for the experiment. > In your own words, the experiment was to allocate sufficient funds so > that Steve Langasek and Andreas Barth can dedicate a month each

Re: Debian Etch Stable.

2006-12-13 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 02:17:35PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > [...] Personally, I don't consider the experiment over > > 'til all those loose ends are tied up; and it could easily turn out that > > the logistical issues alone are enough of a problem to make this sort > > of endeavour not worth t

Re: Debian Etch Stable.

2006-12-14 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Dec 14, 2006 at 08:40:41AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > I would further expect that you didn't try to pollute the experiment result > with stuff like the mail starting this thread. From the tone of that mail, it > indicated clearly that for you the experiment was over, and that you called >

Re: Debian Etch Stable.

2006-12-19 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Dec 14, 2006 at 03:32:16PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 01:24:32PM +, MJ Ray wrote: > > > Actually, I believe you'll find that that wasn't even put forward as a > > > metric for the experiment. > > In your own words, the

Re: Please appoint one new person to the DSA Team

2006-12-20 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 09:06:01PM +0100, Aurelien Jarno wrote: > It is known among debian developers that the Debian System > Administration Team (aka DSA or [EMAIL PROTECTED]) is not > really responsive. So apparently this complaint was immediately followed up by setting up an emulated autobuil

Re: Please appoint one new person to the DSA Team

2006-12-20 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 04:27:41PM +, Simon Huggins wrote: > > So apparently this complaint was immediately followed up by setting up an > > emulated autobuilder not synced in with the regular buildd.debian.org > > stuff [0]. [...] > PS you're missing your footnote. [0] http://blog.aurel32.net

Re: Please appoint one new person to the DSA Team

2006-12-20 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 08:38:33PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Would you, as DPL, please try to address the original issue? Martin, Branden and myself have all been trying to address the original issue as DPL; messages like the one beginning this thread don't help, and setting up unofficial aut

Re: Please appoint one new person to the DSA Team

2006-12-20 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 10:43:48PM -0800, Mike Bird wrote: > 4) What kind of Debian Project unprivileged admin tasks are so secret >that discussion thereof must occur in private? The issue isn't that secrecy is required; just that discussing these things in public on Debian fora turns into a g

Re: Please appoint one new person to the DSA Team

2006-12-20 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Dec 21, 2006 at 04:06:56PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > I would greatly appreciate it if people would help the process by > supporting the efforts of the DSA team consistently rather than heaping > praise on them when they fix compromises and scorn on them the rest of > the ti

Re: Help for OSS Survey

2006-12-23 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Dec 23, 2006 at 01:30:48PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > Indeed, it was her which i had in mind originally, and which i urged Anthony > as DPL to contact. I was mostly ignored except one post saying "why don't you > contact them yourself". Do you know her contact info ? Would you like to ask

Re: Sven Luther, report of the mediation attempt and further actions

2007-01-03 Thread Anthony Towns
ther wrote: > On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 05:47:36PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 29, 2006 at 05:38:19PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 12:44:46AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > > < skipped private comment from Anthony Towns where he

Re: Sven Luther, report of the mediation attempt and further actions

2007-01-03 Thread Anthony Towns
aid: > On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 06:05:08PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > Sven, the mediation was an attempt to help you and the d-i team work > > together effectively in future. If you don't want to accept it, you > > don't have to; but if you do, you cannot use it as

Debian logos and trademarks

2007-02-06 Thread Anthony Towns
Hi all, Back in October, during the firefox/iceweasel dispute, Branden Robinson and I expressed a little exasperation on IRC that Debian wasn't really setting a great example itself in how it licenses its logos. We had a bit of a chat about that and that resulted in a rough agreement on what to do

Re: Debian logos and trademarks

2007-02-07 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 10:03:52AM +0100, Bastian Venthur wrote: > I have a question. If I understand you correctly you want to put the > "official use" logo under the MIT license AND enforce it as an > unregistered trademark so that someone can only use it if "we" (who?) > authorize it. This sound

Re: Debian logos and trademarks

2007-02-08 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 11:57:13PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Thu, 08 Feb 2007, Anthony Towns wrote: > > The DFSG refers to copyright licensing, it doesn't cover patents or > > trademarks. > It actually doesn't refer to any of them specifically. It does talk >

Re: Criteria for a successful DPL board

2007-02-14 Thread Anthony Towns
Grr. I shouldn't be doing this, but I can't help myself. Here's some counterpoint to some of Raphael's points. Please consider them only to moderate some of his claims, not necessarily to disagree with them in principle. On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 08:55:10AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > But you're

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-14 Thread Anthony Towns
-vote dropped On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 03:06:01PM +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: > > Maintaining a buildd isn't trivial, there's: > > > > - making sure they don't get rooted, and their builds compromised > > - keeping the chroot up to date > > - keeping in sync with w-b / sbuild chan

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 06:34:16PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 01:13:36PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > -vote dropped > > On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 03:06:01PM +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: > > > i think someone running more than one autobui

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 08:37:27AM +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: > On Thu Feb 15, 2007 at 13:13:36 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > -vote dropped And readded apparently. Do we really have to have these conversations across multiple lists? > > > i think someone running more th

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 03:17:58PM +0100, Aurelien Jarno wrote: > FYI, I am running a wanna-build database for hurd-i386, kfreebsd-i386 > and kfreebsd-amd64 on my home server, and running three build daemons, > two for kfreebsd-i386 (yes, contrary to some official architectures we > have buildd red

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 10:00:25AM +0100, Frank K?ster wrote: > >> > > i think someone running more than one autobuilder for more than _two_ > >> > > years now (okay, not for the officical archive, but i see that as > >> > > nonrelevant here) demonstrats very good that he mets your mentioned > >> >

Google Summer of Code

2007-02-15 Thread Anthony Towns
Hey all, The Google's running a Summer of Code again in 2007, mentoring organisations need to submit applications between the 5th and 12th of March. Announcement: http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2007/02/speaking-of-summer.html Deadlines: http://code.google.com/support/bin/answe

Bits from the DPL: DSA and buildds and DAM, oh my!

2007-02-22 Thread Anthony Towns
//db.debian.org/ debian-admin/ * System admin for (root@) - determined by owner/sponsor of hardware/bandwidth - responsible for security of machine - determines who is allowed access to host - determines what services are provided by host * Debian Archive Maintainer(

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-22 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 07:55:10PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 10:00:25AM +0100, Frank K?ster wrote: > > Are you so overworked, or are you deliberately "forgetting"? It has > > been suggested multiple times in the past to use existing or new > > hardware and add it to th

Re: Debian logos and trademarks

2007-02-22 Thread Anthony Towns
Hi SPI! As per the thread on debian-project [0] I'm writing to request that SPI relicense the Debian logos that they hold the copyright to [1] under the MIT copyright license: > Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person > obtaining a copy of this software and associa

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and buildds and DAM, oh my!

2007-02-23 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Feb 23, 2007 at 10:44:55AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > So sorry, but I don't buy a single word of your argumentation here. It wasn't an argument; it was just a statement of things are, as I see them. In so far as "how things are" isn't well communicated in those areas, I don't see an

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and buildds and DAM, oh my!

2007-02-23 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Feb 23, 2007 at 12:13:03PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > The primary reason why there's only one keyring-maint is the "binary > blob" problem: [...] > [...] > This issue has been mentioned briefly in the past a few times, but to > the best of my knowledge, n

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and buildds and DAM, oh my!

2007-02-23 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Feb 23, 2007 at 12:57:01PM +0100, Frank K?ster wrote: > Anthony Towns wrote: > >> We're far beyond trying to help them, at least for me, [...] > > Your opinions are only ever going to be considered in so far as you're > > willing to help make them a

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and buildds and DAM, oh my!

2007-02-23 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Feb 23, 2007 at 08:05:33PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Anthony Towns wrote: > > I've been delaying this mail for a while now > Is it purely coincidental that it was sent the same day as your > nomination for the DPL elections? Not remotely; I was delaying the

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and buildds and DAM, oh my!

2007-02-23 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Feb 23, 2007 at 03:54:54PM +, MJ Ray wrote: > Anthony Towns wrote: > > If they don't do it, and it's important, someone else will. Cf the > > security team versus testing security support, backports or [...] > That's fine if "they" don'

Re: gpg changesets (was Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and buildds and DAM, oh my!)

2007-02-23 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Feb 23, 2007 at 11:15:00PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > Changed-By: Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Comment: Removing an old email address. I'm not sure that's plausible -- afaik the keyring gets synced to the real keyservers for new signatures and uids, so removing addresses doesn't work; th

Re: gpg changesets (was Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and buildds and DAM, oh my!)

2007-02-23 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Feb 24, 2007 at 12:54:41AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > > That means you can't reorder changesets easily. I wonder if it'd be > > better say "del uid [EMAIL PROTECTED]" and have the tool work out > > which uid (if any) that is. > I don't feel that reordering changesets is a good thing in gener

Re: gpg changesets (was Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and buildds and DAM, oh my!)

2007-02-24 Thread Anthony Towns
emoval. diffring.pl should deal with those fwiw. Doesn't deal with revocations, and may not deal well with subkeys. Cheers, aj #!/usr/bin/perl -w # Copyright (c) 2007 Anthony Towns # GNU GPL; v2 or later # Gives an overview of what changed between two keyrings use strict; my $l = parse_keyr

Developers vs Uploaders

2007-03-14 Thread Anthony Towns
Hey all, Over the past few weeks, after Joey Hess created the jetring keyring management tool from whole cloth [0], I've been poking at changing dak to support a "maintainers" keyring [1] so that we can make it possible for people who want to work on just one or two packages able to do exactly tha

Re: Developers vs Uploaders

2007-03-14 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 12:37:38AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > If the "Debian maintainer" uploads a package changing the > Maintainer/Uploaders field to his own name, what happens ? Nothing in particular. The Maintainer/Uploaders field of the existing source package in the target suite are wha

Re: Developers vs Uploaders

2007-03-14 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 08:50:06PM +0100, Bastian Venthur wrote: > My first thought: do we really need this new class of contributors? I > mean how many people do you currently know fitting in this category > (don't like to become DD just maintainers). It's not "don't want to be a DD", it's "aren

Re: Developers vs Uploaders

2007-03-16 Thread Anthony Towns
like it meets the requirement of "sponsored 30 uploads in the last six months" that I suggested for being able to recommend a DM originally [1]. It seems sensible to me to have the recommendation take the form of a file that we can just dump directly into jetring. I was thinking somethi

SPI resolution formalising Debian as an SPI associated project

2007-03-17 Thread Anthony Towns
Hey all, At their meeting today, SPI passed [0] a motion formalising Debian's relationship with SPI. AIUI, the text of the motion is as per: http://lists.spi-inc.org/pipermail/spi-general/2007-March/002245.html Cheers, aj [0] The votes were four in favour (Ian Jackson, Michael Schultheiss,

Re: Google SoC - Bug Triaging and Forwarding Tool

2007-03-27 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 09:12:40AM -0300, Gustavo R. Montesino wrote: > 1. Query BTS according to paramaters given by the user. It could filter > the bugs by maintaner, uploader, package, usertags, tags, etc. Display a > list with bug number, title and tags to the user. > 2. The user may select on

Re: When Debian 4.1 will arrive... will anyone care?

2007-04-11 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 10:34:47AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > I propose another idea: having a major.minor release scheme in > which we guarantee the upgrade path from major.x to major+1.0, and > from one minor release to the other. One big obstacle common to all > these directions is to

Re: Proposed name change for DWN

2007-05-02 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, May 02, 2007 at 11:56:02AM -0300, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) wrote: > Hopefully, I think we can start having DWN weekly > again, so let's try. :-) The DWN contribution howto is at: http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/contributing The most relevant points are probably: Right

Two GR concepts for dicussion

2007-05-31 Thread Anthony Towns
Hey all, As a slight distraction from other discussions going on, I'd like to throw a couple of ideas out there for consideration, particularly with debconf coming up and a chance for many of us to discuss things in person. First, the "Debian Maintainers" concept, ie giving limited upload access

Re: Debian Maintainers oup

2007-06-01 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 03:15:06PM +0200, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: > -> do we really need to make this more complicated than: > 1) "sponsor officially declares this person can in his opion handle the > sponsored package"? > 2) sponsoree gets upload rights for that package We need some wa

Re: Jury (was Re: Two GR concepts for dicussion)

2007-06-01 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 11:30:28PM -0400, Philippe Cloutier wrote: > >Hey, why not? A third idea: instead of having delegates or a committee > >or whatever to decide amongst disputes, how about randomly selecting a > >jury from DDs and having their word (on who's right, on what punishment > >is pla

Re: Social committee proposal

2007-06-04 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 10:56:32PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: > On Fri, Jun 01, 2007 at 10:30:24PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > > Also, I can already see opposition to a committee which is only elected > > once, and can then change its own membership at will, while retaining > > all of its the powers

Re: Debian release cycle for enterprise ?

2007-06-09 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Jun 08, 2007 at 09:41:09AM +0200, Fr??d??ric PICA wrote: > This the follow up of the same thread in debian-release : > http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2007/06/msg00039.html In that thread, Martin Krafft wrote: ] To support a release for 4-5 years, we would need substantially more ]

Re: Debian Trademarks Summary

2007-06-23 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 12:48:26AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > http://people.debian.org/~mjr/legal/trademarks.html ] Just to be clear, the two debian logos are currently under the restrictive ] copyright licences described on http://www.debian.org/logos/ (set by ] votes in 1999) and not currently suita

Re: Micros*ft deal

2007-06-25 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 03:57:39PM +0200, Alexander Schmehl wrote: > I would to see some kind of statement, too. How about "To the best of our knowledge, Debian is free of patent encumberance. We will, however, happily accept patent indeminfications for our users, upstream developers, and derived

Re: message from Sven Luther

2007-06-29 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 03:51:32PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > I don't personaly think being publicly > discredited by our mistakes is something we want as a community. Being publicly discreditted for our mistakes seems like exactly the right thing to happen to me, actually. Helps discourage us

Re: Multi-winner elections, soc-ctte (Was: Re: soc-ctte discussion at DebConf7)

2007-06-30 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Jun 30, 2007 at 10:00:47AM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 02:43:24PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > It should be relatively straight forward for Devotee to find the > > winner, take the winner out of contention the next round, find the next > >

Re: Debian Maintainers

2007-10-26 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 12:45:54AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Thu, Oct 25, 2007 at 10:44:29PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > Please follow your own rules. Thanks. > Besides, and with a sharp different tone, if Debian Maintainers are a > reality now ... It's not yet; remaining holdups

Re: Debian Maintainers

2007-10-27 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 09:55:57AM +0200, Bart Martens wrote: > I'm sure that the intentions are good, but Joerg has a point about these > three DM's. Maybe it is better to replace these three DM registrations > in the DM keyring by three artificial DM's owned by DD's. For the record, the code

test mail from ajt@ via d...@ftp-master

2007-11-17 Thread Anthony Towns
If this were a real mail, there would be some useful content here. Cheers, aj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Updated Debian Maintainers Keyring

2007-11-17 Thread Anthony Towns
Apparently bouncing messages to -project doesn't work so well, so this is a forward of [0] instead. Future messages will be sent direct to -project when an update d-m package is accepted. [0] http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/d-m-team/2007-November/13.html -- aj With the upload of d

Re: NM process, AMs, advocates, mentors and applicants

2007-11-21 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 02:51:42PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Hm, it didn't seem like a mentor role to me. Being a mentor involves > telling the mentee how to solve a problem and helping them work through > the learning process. I would've said it involves helping them work through the proces

Re: Updated Debian Maintainers Keyring

2007-11-22 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 12:10:41PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > Here is the current list. When psql on merkel gets updated to a version that can load the dumps from ftp-master, you can get a more accurate view of who can upload what by ssh'ing to merkel and running: psql projectb <') WHERE

Re: Updated Debian Maintainers Keyring

2007-11-22 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Nov 22, 2007 at 06:10:42PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 12:10:41PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > Here is the current list. > When psql on merkel gets updated to a version that can load the dumps > from ftp-master, you can get a more accurate

Re: Updated Debian Maintainers Keyring

2007-11-22 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Nov 22, 2007 at 03:13:52PM +, Stephen Gran wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Anthony Towns said: > > When psql on merkel gets updated to a version that can load the dumps > > from ftp-master [...] > Can we just open the postgres port on ftp-master to merkel, and

linhdd concerns (was: Re: Updated Debian Maintainers Keyring)

2007-11-24 Thread Anthony Towns
Hi Ramakrishnan, Mohammed, Jaldhar, Kartik, It's been pointed out that Kartik's latest upload of linhdd has included an i386 binary in arch:all package, and explicitly overriden the lintian warning for it (see the mail quoted below). That seems pretty dodgy. Kartik what possible reason did you h

Re: linhdd concerns (was: Re: Updated Debian Maintainers Keyring)

2007-11-26 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 11:22:52PM +0530, Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan wrote: > [I did not recieve the original email addressed to me by aj, so I am > literally "reading between the lines" to digest the original message] It was sent to your @d.o address, and is in the list archives at: http://l

Re: linhdd concerns (was: Re: Updated Debian Maintainers Keyring)

2007-11-26 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 09:34:21PM +0530, Kartik Mistry wrote: > > Kartik what possible reason did you have for overriding the lintian > > error report, rather than changing your package to remove the error? > linhdd introduce binary abs_fdisk which was modified copy of fdisk > from new version 0.4

Updated Debian Maintainers Keyring

2007-11-26 Thread Anthony Towns
: 57AD42ECB22F67D713AF1AB2290FBE52EEA07609 A summary of all the changes in this upload follows. Debian distribution maintenance software, on behalf of, Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 03:14:00 +1000 Source:

Re: linhdd concerns (was: Re: Updated Debian Maintainers Keyring)

2007-11-27 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 09:44:50PM +0530, Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan wrote: > As people have already explained, this is not the first mistake people > have commited. And at the same time, I agree that it was a grave > mistake on my part and I publicly apologize for this mistake. If you > care to r

Re: Updated Debian Maintainers Keyring

2007-11-29 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 02:57:22AM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > > dm:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Full name: Aur?lien G?R?ME > (rewritten w/o half-broken encoding, maybe it would be nice to send > mails using something different from us-ascii?) Patches welcome. A suggested Content-Type: header mig

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