* Charles Plessy (ple...@debian.org) [100913 16:25]:
> > Is this a good way of doing that? The referred-to e-mail says that an
> > XS-Autobuild header in the debian/control (not copyright) file is
> > required. Is there a need for a particular header for this in
> > debian/copyright? Would not the
* Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt (h...@ftwca.de) [100915 17:39]:
> Andreas Barth writes:
> > * Charles Plessy (ple...@debian.org) [100913 16:25]:
> >> > Is this a good way of doing that? The referred-to e-mail says that an
> >> > XS-Autobuild header in
Hi Lucas,
* Martin Zobel-Helas (zo...@debian.org) [131202 22:11]:
> Hi Lucas,
>
> I am pleased to announce that DSA has promoted Héctor Orón Martínez to a
> full member of the team.
>
> Please update the delegation for the Debian System Administrators
> accordingly.
Did I miss the conclusion on
* Lucas Nussbaum (lea...@debian.org) [140104 16:30]:
> On 04/01/14 at 14:04 +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
> See https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2013/12/msg00049.html
thanks.
> > (Actually I think we should have our delegations so that if the
> > current delegates add s
* Ian Jackson (ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk) [140106 17:22]:
> Lucas Nussbaum writes ("Re: Updating the Policy Editors delegation"):
> > .oO ( funny that this comes up now, given the same delegation text was
> > already used in
> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/10/msg6.
* Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) [140211 06:57]:
> Joey Hess writes:
>
> > OTOH, if the ctte is still stuck in a procedural morass after the full
> > 3-4 weeks it takes to pass a GR, it could be a lifeline that lets it
> > decide on a better decision making procedure. Even if that ends up being
>
* Kurt Roeckx (k...@roeckx.be) [140302 12:23]:
> On Sun, Mar 02, 2014 at 11:01:16AM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > Kurt Roeckx writes ("Re: Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init
> > systems"):
> > > This is probably going to require a 2:1 majority requirement as
> > > written.
> >
> > Do y
* Kurt Roeckx (k...@roeckx.be) [140302 12:36]:
> On Sun, Mar 02, 2014 at 12:26:38PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > * Kurt Roeckx (k...@roeckx.be) [140302 12:23]:
> > > On Sun, Mar 02, 2014 at 11:01:16AM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > > > Kurt Roeckx writes ("
* Andreas Barth (a...@ayous.org) [140302 13:07]:
> Thanks for the reference to the auto-nuke clause in the TC decision.
> How about adding something along the lines "To avoid any doubt, this
> decision does not replace the TC resolution" to avoid invoking that
> claus
* Matthew Vernon (matth...@chiark.greenend.org.uk) [140302 17:41]:
> Andreas Barth writes:
>
> > Thanks for the reference to the auto-nuke clause in the TC decision.
> > How about adding something along the lines "To avoid any doubt, this
> > decision does not replac
* Paul Tagliamonte (paul...@debian.org) [140302 19:02]:
> On Sun, Mar 02, 2014 at 05:55:14PM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> > Huh? Ian explicitly says, as does the text itself, that this proposed
> > GR *adopts* the TC decision on the default init system. It doesn't
> > overturn it.
>
> The fact t
* Bdale Garbee (bd...@gag.com) [140302 19:17]:
> Colin Watson writes:
>
> > On Sun, Mar 02, 2014 at 12:49:22PM -0500, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
> >> On Sun, Mar 02, 2014 at 12:35:15PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> >> > As a consequence, the GR replaces the outcome of the TC vote. The GR
> >> > text
* Iain Lane (la...@debian.org) [140302 19:28]:
> The rest of the discussion notwithstanding, where do you think that
>
> On Sun, Mar 02, 2014 at 02:50:00PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > […]
> > That doesn't contradict the GR. If the GR passes we have two
> > resolutions:
> >
> > 11th Feb as m
* Richard Hartmann (richih.mailingl...@gmail.com) [140426 23:42]:
> * Debian Deutschland e.V.
> * DebConf Deutschland e.V.
> * DebConf15 Deutschland e.V.
>
> From our understanding, German tax authorities don't like
> throw-away/single-use non-profit organisations, but we have no proof
> of that,
* Richard Hartmann (richih.mailingl...@gmail.com) [140427 00:40]:
> On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Andreas Barth wrote:
>
> > I'm running some throw-away non-profit organisations, and have not
> > experienced problems.
>
> Have the tax authorities been made awar
* Andreas Barth (a...@ayous.org) [140427 01:10]:
> * Richard Hartmann (richih.mailingl...@gmail.com) [140427 00:40]:
> > On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > > Debconf has a different tax situation than a normal TO setup
> > > (especially give
* martin f krafft (madd...@debian.org) [140427 08:31]:
> also sprach Andreas Barth [2014-04-27 01:09 +0200]:
> > If you get money where you provide some value for (and sponsorship
> > might fall into that category, if e.g. logos are shown somewhere),
> > then this money is VA
* martin f krafft (madd...@debconf.org) [140427 11:00]:
> also sprach Andreas Barth [2014-04-27 10:53 +0200]:
> > However, one need to check if all of Debconf falls into that, or if
> > parts don't. Tax authorities don't necessarily consider one event
> > "t
legal@, I
> don't think it's useful to start the debate again with no new elements.
Agreed. And the result of that discussion was that we don't agree.
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ocial contract or
> not including any non-program software in the distribution.
I would prefere if we could keep the heat level down. (Not particulary
meant to you, but to all who are participating here.)
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* Alexander Wirt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050724 12:58]:
> Florian Weimer schrieb am Sonntag, den 24. Juli 2005:
>
> > How is Debian related to the "Debian Core Consortium"? Why are they
> > using the name "Debian"?
> Maybe you sould wait until its been more than a plan to do something before
> cryin
* Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050724 13:43]:
> Nico Golde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > No there is something like the debian core consortium:
> > http://www.golem.de/0507/39207.html [german]
> > Progeny, Linspire, credativ (Deutschland),
> > LinEx (Spanien), Sun Wah Linux, Xandor
* Thomas Viehmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050725 22:32]:
> Stephen Frost wrote:
> > * Thomas Viehmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >>Maybe it would be great to come up with something that can be used by
> >>everyone interested. I'm thinking along the lines granting a license to
> >>use "Debian derived
* Steve Langasek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050803 00:10]:
> On Tue, Aug 02, 2005 at 12:55:01PM +0100, Jochen Voss wrote:
> > Hello Steve,
>
> > On Mon, Aug 01, 2005 at 05:38:39PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > > On Mon, Aug 01, 2005 at 12:43:48PM -0400, Joe Smith wrote:
> > > > Also, Based on another
* Michael Meskes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050824 12:54]:
> > ...
> > anyone. As long as it is clear that they are an external (commercial or
> > non-commercial) entity, I would expect no problem to implictely or
> > explicitely granting many more groups derived rights to the trademark
> > "Debian". Onl
* Steve McIntyre ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050830 13:08]:
> Bully for them. Conference trips that have been paid for from Debian
> UK funds:
>
> * Debconf 3 travel (Scott James Remnant, as he already mentioned)
> * Dpkg conference (Scott again)
> * GNOME foundation meeting, representing Debian (Matt
* Stephen Frost ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050907 14:02]:
> * Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 12:30:39AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> > > The debian trademark policy says no businesses get to use
> > > the mark. Why should this selling association, which ignores
> > > good p
* Anthony Towns (aj@azure.humbug.org.au) [050907 15:02]:
> AIUI, that's been frowned upon in the US because actually selling
> things makes you liable for collecting/paying sales tax which is a huge
> nuisance. Giving stuff away and asking for a donation, meanwhile, doesn't.
>
> Different countrie
* Stephen Frost ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050907 16:15]:
> In general I believe the practice *has* been that we don't
> sell things.
Actually, I have never seen any Debian booth where we didn't sell
things. With exception of fairs where the fair didn't allow it.
> > It's long been the case that Debia
* MJ Ray ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050907 16:32]:
> Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Well, I don't know how the british rules are, but at least here
> > (Germany) a non-commercial institution can do "business", as long as the
> > "busi
Hi,
* Philip Hands ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050907 12:09]:
> On reflection, I think we should ensure that the wording makes it clear
> that one has to express an interest in membership in order to be considered
> a member. I'll start a thread to that effect back on the debian-uk list.
I know a local
where people are only available for
emergency services, an service is "officially dead"? Sorry, I disagree.
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That has happened, and will happen again.
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s of the DPL could influence who could
vote in that GR (not that I assume that the current ones would do that,
but this seems to be a flaw that the constitution doesn't regulate at
all how people can become and loose developer status).
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participate and actually _help_.
>
> seconded.
Someone who is willing to do the work? I probably could offer some
initial space on a server for i18n.d.n until it is ready to move to
i18n.d.o.
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There is - if they don't check, you could revoke their upload
privileges.
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* Michael Banck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060412 14:41]:
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 12:43:22PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > * Michael Banck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060412 12:11]:
> > > On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 01:25:28AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > > > Could y
k that such people should
be forced to wait 3 months for the full account. (One might say
"normally, you need to wait for at least 3 months" - that leave space
for the exceptions.)
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* Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060416 23:08]:
> Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > * Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060411 18:40]:
> >> 2.1 Multiple advocates
> >> --
> >>
&g
with these ideas in my mind.
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You need to be approved by Baruch (as well as I need that :).
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> Do they distribute the binary version freely or is it that the binary
binary is free for download.
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Donna, please ignore MJ Ray on that. He is a know troll regarding Debian
UK.
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cedures. If you dislike it,
you're open to start an GR. Otherwise, please just shut up - especially
when it comes speaking to external people who want to donate money to
us.
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the repository is hold on a debian.org-machine, it is definitly bound
by the rules of our constitution. If you don't like it, don't use debian
ressources.
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ged (i.e.
delegation for ongoing tasks), and how decisions can be overwritten
(though of course I'm happy that these rules are not used too often).
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* Matthew Garrett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060621 12:08]:
> Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > A GR can definitly override any decision, and restore Sven's commit
> > access.
>
> No. A GR can override any decision made by the DPL, a delegate or the
g the selection process.
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package search: http://ara.edos-project.org/
distro testing: http://www.edos-project.org/qa/
main page: http://www.edos-project.org/xwiki/bin/Main/
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s rather sounds like a trollish remark to me. Who are you, and how do
you judge what is proper use of Debian's trademarks and what not?
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people.
Actually, I think you told us how you would deal with it, and your
latest mails didn't had any further input, so I suggest that you leave
it to us what we actually do. Repeating the same content over and over
doesn't really help.
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Cursing doesn't help, my son.
And really now: Let's get back and do something productive. Like fixing
RC-bugs for etch. Because there is one thing I definitly don't want to
see: That this magazine creates another DVD based on sarge for next
year's CeBiT - independend of ho
* MJ Ray ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060718 12:49]:
> Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Does that sound like a wrong thing only to me? I'm quite happy if we
> > identify what could work better next time. [...]
>
> As far as I can tell:
> 1. Label the outside
oved from one library to another.
Would that failure also appear with LSB 1.3?
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; Sort of. We have to release etch first. I doubt people want to support
> July's etch for all time. :-)
>
> But assuming the cpio problem gets fixed, it would seem that we will be
> able to certify etch once it's released.
That sounds really cool, thanks.
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* Andreas Barth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060803 22:39]:
> * Frans Pop ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060803 22:02]:
> > I'd prefer keeping PlanetDebian pure as a aggregator of personal blogs.
>
> Hm, ok. I can see your point, but I disagree (but of course, I'm biased).
>
> Any
* Martin Schulze ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060804 11:17]:
> Andreas Barth wrote:
> > > Hm, ok. I can see your point, but I disagree (but of course, I'm biased).
> > >
> > > Anyways, if more DDs feel your way, I will remove DebianTimes. (DWN was
> > > removed
Hi Mako,
can you please define a policy whether non-personal blogs should be on
planet.debian.org or not?
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* Eduard Bloch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060804 17:57]:
> #include
> * Andreas Barth [Thu, Aug 03 2006, 09:33:03PM]:
> > Hi,
> >
> > today, we launched a new service DebianTimes, times.debian.net. Its
> > intend is to deliver larger and smaller "nice items"
* Petter Reinholdtsen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060804 18:15]:
>
> [Jeff Licquia]
> > There is now. Bug #381348, with the full scoop and a proposed fix.
>
> And a fixed cpio was just uploaded. Time to update policy?
Soon [tm]. :)
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* Jeff Licquia ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060807 15:12]:
> On Sat, 2006-08-05 at 22:07 +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > How about the init-scripts? Does LSB say anything about them, or is that
> > a rather optional component?
>
> Yes, I had forgotten those; there were conventions
and
> | the free software community, and a public in-person discussion at
> | DebConf 7 in Edinburgh in honour of the 10th anniversary of the
> | original publication of the Social Contract on the 4th of July 1997.
> `
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> number of very different proposals).
perhaps we should, independend of current GRs, consider how to change
the GR procedure so that it doesn't happen to be as painful as it is
now.
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> issues that come up should be fairly easy to resolve at this point.
I'm quite sure as well, but I need a few hours to write some things up
first. :)
Jeff, please continue with your tests.
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* Hubert Chan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [061016 05:21]:
> On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:18:20 +0200, Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > There has been the idea to just publish all items on DebianTimes, and
> > make a weekly summary of these items. If anyone has somethi
* Andrew Donnellan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [061015 23:49]:
> On 10/15/06, Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >> Since Joey has said he wants to spend less time on Debian has anyone
> >> else dec
ng really cheap), then they're more likely to take an interest.
Depending on the event, we ask for money (unless someone is really
interessted). But even then, you need to have CDs/DVDs. :)
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> On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:11:49 +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
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> > * Steve McIntyre ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [061016 11:09]:
> > > If people have to pay something for them (even
> > > something really cheap), then
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* martin f krafft ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [061016 14:30]:
> also sprach Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.10.16.1303 +0200]:
> > > 2) Make the procedure for submissions a bit more clear: DWN is simply
> > > dwn(at)debian(dot)org; is DebianTimes simply the p
nks for that detailed report. I assume we need to either apply the
Fedora patch, or create another patch by our own - shipping wit 2.6.19
sounds like a non-option to me.
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(physikalisch)?
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Die Liste heißt debian-user-german, bitte bei den Antworten beachten.
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* Andreas Barth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [061113 18:51]:
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* Baz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [061219 01:52]:
> "Andreas Barth has published a release update regarding the upcoming release
> of Debian <http://distrowatch.com/debian> GNU/Linux 4.0. Although it does
> not provide any information about the probable release date of the much
>
t; to The Simpsons?
I doubt the current Release Managers would switch to the Simpsons.
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I'm rather shocked that waldi removed people from commit access without
telling them - and even worse, without being able to remember it about
14 days later.
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you shouldn't have admin privileges
on the kernel svn if you cannot properly handle them.
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zumindest admin) verlieren solltest, nicht sven.
(and no answer from waldi up to now)
As you can see, there is no need for you to escalate it - other people
will take care of that. :)
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* Andreas Barth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070528 12:28]:
> It seems that waldi doesn't want to do it, and also not to give any
> statement that he wanted to kick you out. I consider this a very bad
> behaviour, at least. And not acceptable.
After some more pressure on IRC, your commit a
together. Debian as a project is definitly not responsible
for waldis bad behaviour - and there is no correlation between waldis
bad behaviour and anything else, waldi is behaving bad to almost all and
not only to you.)
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> >
> > The - what you call - bigger problem has been discussed enough. More
> > mails won't change anything positively with regards to it and you.
> > You should accept this.
>
> Then what will change it ?
Just leave Debian.
Cheers,
An
d Debian if our ways part. I still hope
that you realize that too, but if you don't, I'm seriously considering
to ask DAM and listmaster to make it happen.
I'm very very sad about this happening.
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* Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070529 22:05]:
> On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 08:26:20PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> > Please limit the number of posts per day to this thread.
>
> Lively discussion
Lively discussion and DoS is a different thing. You do DoS.
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* Ian Jackson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070601 11:59]:
> 7. The initial Social Committee will consist of of five elected
> Developers. The Project Secretary is requested to organise and
> hold an election, in a manner similar to that for Project Leader.
>
> 8. The Committee shall be responsi
* Andreas Tille ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070608 09:12]:
> On Thu, 7 Jun 2007, Andreas Barth wrote:
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> >I think it would be better if the committee is re-elected from the
> >developers at large - perhaps half of their size
>
> I see no chance to define half of their size pr
* Andreas Tille ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070608 13:08]:
> On Fri, 8 Jun 2007, Andreas Barth wrote:
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> >I don't get the problem. We have two sets of people there in:
> >- people elected in even years
> >- people elected in uneven years
>
> Well, I don't th
; out - We've got dozens of people in #debian asking that everyday.
In *this* case however we will end up with a few uninstallable packages
in testing for a few days - currently working on fixing that during the
next days. (In case people ask about such issues in testing.)
Cheers,
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every year is ok, but we want to avoid having too large changes
happening to the people to "keep the knowledgebase intact". (As with
approval voting, that goal is reached different, so we can vote every
year on everyone, and not only on half of the people.)
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subscribing to lists of a high relevance to
> active developpers. Is debian-release one of them ?
Debian-release is not and should not be used as a discussion list, but
of course lots of vital information about the release process is passed
on there.
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