Re: Tone policing by a member of the community team [Was, Re: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board]

2021-04-11 Thread Geert Stappers
On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 03:06:14AM +0200, gregor herrmann wrote: > On Sun, 11 Apr 2021 01:28:45 +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > > > On Wed, 2021-04-07 at 21:38 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > > I wonder, though -- do we have a Nazi anywhere in the project? Could you > > > point to one? > > Although

Re: Abusive language on Debian lists

2021-04-11 Thread Eldon Koyle
On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 1:52 AM wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 06:22:57PM -0600, Eldon Koyle wrote: > > I have noticed a pattern on Debian lists where we see: > > [...] > > > I would like to propose that we shorten this cycle by simply adding a rule > > to bounce messages to public lists at #3

Re: Abusive language on Debian lists

2021-04-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 11 apr 21, 00:56:04, Eldon Koyle wrote: > > I feel these words always contribute to a toxic environment, however they > are being used intentionally by people I respect who hold a lot of influence > in this group, in open defiance of the accepted rules. Using a small shell > script (or reg

Re: Abusive language on Debian lists

2021-04-11 Thread tomas
On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 12:56:04AM -0600, Eldon Koyle wrote: [...] > Thank you for your thoughtful reply. > > I think I did a bad job of explaining. I'm talking about English words that > universally accepted as swearing. I have not seen this class of words used > constructively in lists, and

Re: Abusive language on Debian lists

2021-04-11 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Eldon" == Eldon Koyle writes: Eldon> Thank you for your thoughtful reply. Eldon> I think I did a bad job of explaining. I'm talking about Eldon> English words that universally accepted as swearing. I have Eldon> not seen this class of words used constructively in lists,

Re: Abusive language on Debian lists

2021-04-11 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Dear Tomas, dear Debian community, to...@tuxteam.de - 11.04.21, 11:46:02 CEST: > So in the end, I think the only real way is to raise awareness, with > the goal tha /we all/ try to help keeing a friendly tone. > > It's a fine line to walk, between intervening (good) and vigilante > (perhaps too m

NVC or other Training at DebConf

2021-04-11 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Martin" == Martin Steigerwald writes: Martin> I remember that at the recent KDE Academy meetups, I think Martin> the last two, there has been some workshop about non-violent Martin> communication. Martin> Maybe it would be an idea to propose something like that for Mar

Re: Abusive language on Debian lists

2021-04-11 Thread tomas
On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 06:08:23AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: [...] > But I think a blanket prohibition would be harmful: Yes, I think mutilating language could also miss the mark. That doesn't mean that I think language doesn't matter at all (I think it does, very much!), and sometimes marking s

Re: Abusive language on Debian lists

2021-04-11 Thread tomas
On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 12:13:06PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Dear Tomas, dear Debian community, [...] > I remember that at the recent KDE Academy meetups, I think the last two, > there has been some workshop about non-violent communication. > > Maybe it would be an idea to propose some

Re: Tone policing by a member of the community team [Was, Re: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board]

2021-04-11 Thread Sam Hartman
> "gregor" == gregor herrmann writes: I wrote a long post talking about an approach for possibly balancing these trade offs in Debian. Just my ideas, but perhaps reasonably well thought out. Then I realized that now is not the time to send that post. If in a month or so when things are calm

Re: NVC or other Training at DebConf

2021-04-11 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Cc'd to you as you cc'd me. I do not really need a Cc though. Sam Hartman - 11.04.21, 12:44:17 CEST: > > "Martin" == Martin Steigerwald writes: > Martin> I remember that at the recent KDE Academy meetups, I think > Martin> the last two, there has been some workshop about non-violent > Martin>

Re: Tone policing by a member of the community team [Was, Re: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board]

2021-04-11 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On Sun, 2021-04-11 at 03:06 +0200, gregor herrmann wrote: > > I agree to a certain degree; as far as we talk about opinions or > beliefs, but (leftist slogan:) "fascism is not an opinion, it's a > crime" or (more verbose): I don't want to be in the same community as > people who deny other people

Report from sprint DDTP-DDTSS by l10n-pt-br team

2021-04-11 Thread Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana
Hi folks, The Debian Brazilian Portuguese (l10n-pt-BR) translation team[1] organised a sprint[2] from March 20th to 28th, 2021 to translate Debian package descriptions and to encourage new contributors to join the team. This is the second consecutive year that a sprint is organized by the l10

Re: Abusive language on Debian lists

2021-04-11 Thread Eldon Koyle
Preface: Some people may consider it petty to care about this. I am not trying to be petty. I honestly feel sad and hurt every time I see this language on these lists. The language over the last few weeks has me feeling sick inside. I'll admit that I'm likely in a small minority here, but I do

Re: Abusive language on Debian lists

2021-04-11 Thread tomas
On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 12:14:40PM -0600, Eldon Koyle wrote: > Preface: Some people may consider it petty to care about this. I am not > trying to be petty. I honestly feel sad and hurt every time I see this > language on these lists. The language over the last few weeks has me > feeling sick in

Re: Abusive language on Debian lists

2021-04-11 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On Sun, 2021-04-11 at 12:45 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > That seems to be a good idea. I can't say I'll be at the next Debconf, life > seems to be currently against it. But never say never :-) Debconf21 will be online. No idea if such a training can happen online, but if so you might be abl