Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC

2019-12-26 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi Sam, thanks for trying to help explain things. On Mon, 23 Dec 2019, Sam Hartman wrote: > I think your messages here over the last few weeks and your blog posts > (not sindicated on planet) would reasonably lead someone to the Indeed, I have made the same failure I criticized Pierre-Elliott fo

Re: Do we still value contributions?

2019-12-26 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 12/26/19 4:48 AM, John Goerzen wrote:> That is a fantastic idea. If we could open up these reviews to let more> DDs participate, that would be fantastic. No doubt some of the tools at> https://wiki.debian.org/CopyrightReviewTools could help people with> this. tl;dr: automate this task to av

Re: possibly exhausted ftp-masters (Re: Do we still value contributions?

2019-12-26 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 04:05:20AM +, Mo Zhou wrote: > However, accelerating the recruitment process of ftp team looks quite > difficult to all participants, including the ftp-masters and the trainees: > > ftp-master: > * time and energy is limited. doesn't have enough resource to provide >

Re: possibly exhausted ftp-masters (Re: Do we still value contributions?

2019-12-26 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 08:53:43AM -0500, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > So, what can we, as the wider community of Debian Developers, do to > help? Replying to myself. I recognize that this thread contains varying suggestions as to how to improve the situation. My question should have perhaps b

Re: Do we still value contributions?

2019-12-26 Thread Mo Zhou
On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 02:59:25PM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > > So in my opinion the option we should implement is a (mostly) automated > license check. There are various tools listed on the wiki page, but > there are also commercial tools out there which do that task. Although I > know it will

Re: Do we still value contributions?

2019-12-26 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Hi Mo, Quoting Mo Zhou (2019-12-26 16:31:34) > On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 02:59:25PM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > > So in my opinion the option we should implement is a (mostly) > > automated license check. There are various tools listed on the wiki > > page, but there are also commercial tools ou

Re: Do we still value contributions?

2019-12-26 Thread Ryan Kavanagh
On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 04:54:19PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Mo Zhou (2019-12-26 16:31:34) > > On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 02:59:25PM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > > > So in my opinion the option we should implement is a (mostly) > > > automated license check. > > If you have any notes o

Re: possibly exhausted ftp-masters (Re: Do we still value contributions?

2019-12-26 Thread Thorsten Alteholz
On Thu, 26 Dec 2019, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: So, what does the FTP team consider that we, as the wider community of Debian Developers, can do to help? What about being more careful when creating the debian/copyright for a package? I know it is boring, but writing a REJECT-mail is no

Re: Do we still value contributions?

2019-12-26 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 02:59:25PM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz a écrit : > > While I'd appreciate to have a faster ftp/NEW process, I do not think > letting more people participate (as in: DDs not part of ftp-masters) is > a good idea. We've often seen mud-fights about the interpretation of > licenses, m

Re: possibly exhausted ftp-masters (Re: Do we still value contributions?

2019-12-26 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 04:30:58PM +0100, Thorsten Alteholz wrote: > > > On Thu, 26 Dec 2019, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > >So, what does the FTP team consider that we, as the wider community > >of Debian Developers, can do to help? > > What about being more careful when creating the debi

Re: Do we still value contributions?

2019-12-26 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Ryan Kavanagh (2019-12-26 17:12:05) > On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 04:54:19PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > Quoting Mo Zhou (2019-12-26 16:31:34) > > > On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 02:59:25PM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > > > > So in my opinion the option we should implement is a (mostly) > > >

Re: possibly exhausted ftp-masters (Re: Do we still value contributions?

2019-12-26 Thread Holger Levsen
On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 04:30:58PM +0100, Thorsten Alteholz wrote: > Make the machine-readable copyright file mandatory. > It is much easier to "parse" than just a bunch of copyright information. hear hear. (as in: what's blocking us from doing this?) -- cheers, Holger

Re: Do we still value contributions?

2019-12-26 Thread Pirate Praveen
On വ്യാ, Dec 26, 2019 at 17:33, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Ninka, Licensecheck, and other related tools are tracked at https://wiki.debian.org/CopyrightReviewTools license-reconcile is my favorite from the list of tools mentioned there. Though it seems this tool is looking for maintainers.

Re: possibly exhausted ftp-masters (Re: Do we still value contributions?

2019-12-26 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Roberto C. Sánchez (2019-12-26 17:29:52) > On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 04:30:58PM +0100, Thorsten Alteholz wrote: > > On Thu, 26 Dec 2019, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > >So, what does the FTP team consider that we, as the wider > > >community of Debian Developers, can do to help? [...]

Re: possibly exhausted ftp-masters (Re: Do we still value contributions?

2019-12-26 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 06:01:40PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Roberto C. Sánchez (2019-12-26 17:29:52) > > On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 04:30:58PM +0100, Thorsten Alteholz wrote: > > > On Thu, 26 Dec 2019, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > > >So, what does the FTP team consider that we, as

Re: possibly exhausted ftp-masters (Re: Do we still value contributions?

2019-12-26 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 04:29:57PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > > Make the machine-readable copyright file mandatory. > > It is much easier to "parse" than just a bunch of copyright information. > > hear hear. (as in: what's blocking us from doing this?) I'm sure some people will orphan or RM the

Re: possibly exhausted ftp-masters (Re: Do we still value contributions?

2019-12-26 Thread Scott Kitterman
On December 26, 2019 6:21:08 PM UTC, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: >On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 04:29:57PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: >> > Make the machine-readable copyright file mandatory. >> > It is much easier to "parse" than just a bunch of copyright >information. >> >> hear hear. (as in: what's

Re: possibly exhausted ftp-masters (Re: Do we still value contributions?

2019-12-26 Thread Holger Levsen
On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 11:21:08PM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 04:29:57PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > > > Make the machine-readable copyright file mandatory. > > > It is much easier to "parse" than just a bunch of copyright information. > > hear hear. (as in: what's

Re: Merry Christmas more debian private leaks

2019-12-26 Thread W. Mole
Message d'origine > De : Ansgar > À : debian-project@lists.debian.org > Sujet : Re: Merry Christmas more debian private leaks > Date : 25/12/2019 10:47:10 Europe/Paris > > Zlatan writes: > > Can we ban this email account (and be persistent with such effort)? > > We should, but it's playi

New Year's Resolution: Clean up Debian in 2020

2019-12-26 Thread Charles Bond
Serious questions were asked during DebConf about the conflicts of interest between Molly de Blanc and Chris Lamb. Mollygate, Mollamby and all that. Debian, GNOME, FSF and the OSI cabals all told us it is a private matter. None of them denied it. Just don't talk about it, that's all. I'm sick

Re: New Year's Resolution: Clean up Debian in 2020

2019-12-26 Thread W. Mole
From: Charles Bond To: debian-project@lists.debian.org Subject: New Year's Resolution: Clean up Debian in 2020 Date: 26/12/2019 22:44:51 Europe/Paris Serious questions were asked during DebConf about the conflicts of interest between Molly de Blanc and Chris Lamb.  Mollygate, Mollamby and al

Re: New Year's Resolution: Clean up Debian in 2020

2019-12-26 Thread Charles Bond
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, December 26, 2019 10:07 PM, W. Mole wrote: >> From: Charles Bond >> To: debian-project@lists.debian.org >> Subject: New Year's Resolution: Clean up Debian in 2020 >> Date: 26/12/2019 22:44:51 Europe/Paris >> >> Serious questions were asked during D

Re: New Year's Resolution: Clean up Debian in 2020

2019-12-26 Thread W. Mole
From: Charles Bond To: debian-project@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: New Year's Resolution: Clean up Debian in 2020 Date: 26/12/2019 23:15:34 Europe/Paris ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, December 26, 2019 10:07 PM, W. Mole wrote: From: Charles Bond To: debian-project

Re: Do we still value contributions?

2019-12-26 Thread Steffen Möller
Hello, We need to change something. I am just not exactly sure what this is. Since software/workflows that we cover in Debian has increased in complexity, we have come up with salsa. And we are increasingly automating our testing. The package review has not yet seen any methodological change but