Re: Debian services and Debian infrastructure

2014-01-21 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Lucas Nussbaum said: [...] single mail shot with no follow up. Well, it's been a bit over 2 weeks, and you haven't posted a follow up. This doesn't feel like a conversation to me. I understand you're busy, but it feels very much like you're not actually interested in

Re: Debian services and Debian infrastructure

2014-01-21 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, On 21/01/14 at 13:11 +, Stephen Gran wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Lucas Nussbaum said: > > [...] single mail shot with no follow up. > > Well, it's been a bit over 2 weeks, and you haven't posted a follow up. > This doesn't feel like a conversation to me. I understand you're bu

Re: Debian services and Debian infrastructure

2014-01-21 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Lucas Nussbaum said: > Hi, > > On 21/01/14 at 13:11 +, Stephen Gran wrote: > > This one time, at band camp, Lucas Nussbaum said: > > > > [...] single mail shot with no follow up. > > > > Well, it's been a bit over 2 weeks, and you haven't posted a follow up. > >

Re: Debian services and Debian infrastructure

2014-01-21 Thread Luca Filipozzi
On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 03:07:09PM +, Stephen Gran wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Lucas Nussbaum said: > > On 21/01/14 at 13:11 +, Stephen Gran wrote: > > > This one time, at band camp, Lucas Nussbaum said: > > > > > > [...] single mail shot with no follow up. > > > > > > Well, it'

Re: Debian services and Debian infrastructure

2014-01-21 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 21/01/14 at 15:07 +, Stephen Gran wrote: > I think there's quite a range of options between "DSA can't host > everything under the sun" and "I'll go set up a private parallel > development environment out of project funds without any further > discussion". I don't know who you are quoting h

Re: Debian services and Debian infrastructure

2014-01-21 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 21/01/14 at 15:47 +, Luca Filipozzi wrote: > And I actively engaged other DDs regarding their VPS opportunities > (although no response so far in some cases). Oh, that's great! I've just sent you a private mail to share my contacts. I really had no idea that you intended to work on that, gi

Re: Debian services and Debian infrastructure

2014-01-21 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Lucas Nussbaum said: > On 21/01/14 at 15:07 +, Stephen Gran wrote: > > I think there's quite a range of options between "DSA can't host > > everything under the sun" and "I'll go set up a private parallel > > development environment out of project funds without any

Re: Debian services and Debian infrastructure

2014-01-21 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Lucas Nussbaum > On 21/01/14 at 15:07 +, Stephen Gran wrote: > > I think there's quite a range of options between "DSA can't host > > everything under the sun" and "I'll go set up a private parallel > > development environment out of project funds without any further > > discussion". > >

Re: Debian services and Debian infrastructure

2014-01-21 Thread Luca Filipozzi
On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 05:22:28PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 21/01/14 at 15:47 +, Luca Filipozzi wrote: > > And I actively engaged other DDs regarding their VPS opportunities > > (although no response so far in some cases). > > Oh, that's great! I've just sent you a private mail to sha

Please give a summary (Was: Debian services and Debian infrastructure)

2014-01-21 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi, as a random reader I have the feeling that this thread is about a conflict between DSA members and DPL. For me all these mails do not make the slightest sense and it would help if someone could give a summary what you are talking about and if possible give some example what you think is OK an

Re: Debian services and Debian infrastructure

2014-01-21 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 21/01/14 at 17:23 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > > > I have some operational questions about this cloud setup, since it seems > > > you've delegated running Debian owned machines to us and then gone and > > > got some that you don't want us to run. I'm not sure what to do with > > > that disju

Re: Please give a summary (Was: Debian services and Debian infrastructure)

2014-01-21 Thread Ian Jackson
Andreas Tille writes ("Please give a summary (Was: Debian services and Debian infrastructure)"): > as a random reader I have the feeling that this thread is about a > conflict between DSA members and DPL. For me all these mails do not > make the slightest sense and it would help if someone could

Re: Please give a summary (Was: Debian services and Debian infrastructure)

2014-01-21 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi Andreas, On 21/01/14 at 17:51 +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > Hi, > > as a random reader I have the feeling that this thread is about a > conflict between DSA members and DPL. For me all these mails do not > make the slightest sense and it would help if someone could give a > summary what you a

Re: Please give a summary (Was: Debian services and Debian infrastructure)

2014-01-21 Thread Stephen Gran
Hi, Thank you for summarizing it so well. I've been struggling with this and getting probably unnecessarily angry about it, so you have done a much more balanced job than I was likely to. Don't you have enough flamewars to be in the middle of :) Cheers, This one time, at band camp, Ian Jackson

Re: Please give a summary (Was: Debian services and Debian infrastructure)

2014-01-21 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi Ian, On 21/01/14 at 18:11 +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Lucas seems to be intending to mediate these offers to interested DDs > (who have Debian-related uses for a VM) directly, with the apparent > expectation that those DDs would end up administering those VMs > directly in an ad hoc manner. DS

Re: Debian services and Debian infrastructure

2014-01-21 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Lucas Nussbaum This mail has been maturing in my in- and outbox for a little while, and it seems like the debate died down until the recent dda mail, so restarting the underlying discussion a bit. > Q1. How much should we push for Debian services (services useful to > Debian) to be hosted on

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2014-01-21 Thread Daniel Pocock
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