Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-19 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 19/01/14 03:25, Ben Hutchings wrote: > >> In general, I've been quite unhappy with the excessive invocation of >> the TC recently, with developers seeming to view this as a first, >> rather than absolute last, resort. > [...] > > Constitutionally, a GR is the last resort in that it can overrule

Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-19 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Daniel Pocock > E.g. if we choose systemd, who will implement all the things that need > to be changed outside the Gnome related packages? What will immediately > fail if not adapted to systemd? In general, nothing should fail. sysvinit scripts are first class citizens in the systemd world

Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-19 Thread Ian Jackson
Guillem Jover writes ("GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian"): > I think that forcing a decision through the TC at this time was very > premature and inappropriate, [...] Perhaps surprisingly, I am not entirely opposed to the idea of a GR for this question. My reasons are quite differ

Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-19 Thread Russ Allbery
I was going to write something longer about this, and I may still depending on whether I feel like I have a useful way to present the thoughts that are mingling in my head. But I wanted to at least briefly support Ian's point about a GR possibly being a more appropriate decision-making process if

Re: Debian Enhancement Proposals website temporarly broken.

2014-01-19 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 02:54:51PM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit : > Le Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 07:33:41PM +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas a écrit : > > > > assuming the content is entirely static, we could move dep.debian.net to > > dillon.debian.org. > > > > Would that be an option for you? > > I see t

Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-19 Thread Ian Jackson
Russ Allbery writes ("Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian"): > Ian Jackson writes: > > I do think that the proper process is for the TC to make a decision at > > this stage. The way I read the constitution and the context is that it > > is the TC's job. Evidently you disagree.

Re: Debian Enhancement Proposals website temporarly broken.

2014-01-19 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 02:54:51PM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit : > > Le Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 07:33:41PM +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas a écrit : > > > > > > assuming the content is entirely static, we could move dep.debian.net to > > > dillon.debian.org.

Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-19 Thread Enrico Zini
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 12:04:17PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > My reasons are quite different to yours: to summarise, it seems to me > that the init system decision involves political questions as well as > technical ones. I would gladly vote an option that says: "technically, we trust what the T

Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-19 Thread Ian Jackson
Enrico Zini writes ("Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian"): > A constructive thing that we may do as a project to address the > political side of the matter, is to add to our technical decision a list > of things that we wish our upstreams would do to make all our lives > easier in

Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-19 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Guillem, I think you are missing the following options and have only listed options which you consider sensible or which you loath: h.) support them all equally: systemd, upstart, sysv and openrc and keep sysv as the default i.) support them all equally: systemd, upstart, sysv and openrc an

Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-19 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Holger, On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 04:53:12PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: > o.) my brain hurts, this is difficult, let's go shopping! > p.) further discussion p.) is rather "I'd prefer fixing some bugs over voting" and further discussion is q.) > *excellent* (bad) example, why voting is or can

Внешний вид и логика использования

2014-01-19 Thread d...@andrej.by
Здравствуйте. Я не так давно начал пробовать использовать Гну/Линукс и Дебиан в частности. У меня появилось желание внести посильный вклад в развитие этих проектов. Я вольный дизайнер, мне интересны различные задачи графического и веб-дизайна, среди которых также и задачи внешнего вида и логик