Re: Squeeze, firmware and installation

2010-05-09 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 05/06/2010 07:22 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 11:26:55PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: >> I can't see a reason why we should not be able to ship cd-images in >> "non-free". > > What do you exactly mean by that? > I can imagine at least two different interpretations of i

Re: Squeeze, firmware and installation

2010-05-09 Thread Michael Banck
On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 10:59:57AM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > On 05/06/2010 07:22 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > 2) Having the non-free firmware in the regular CD image sets; firmware > >which is not loaded by default, but that can be selectively enabled > >by the user, pretty much as

Re: Welcome to our 2010 Debian Google Summer of Code students!

2010-05-09 Thread Michael Banck
Hi, On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:12:55PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le lundi 26 avril 2010 à 21:40 +0200, Obey Arthur Liu a écrit : > > == Debian High Performance Computing on Clouds == > > by Dominique Belhachemi, mentored by Steffen Moeller > > > > The project paves a way to combine the de

Re: Squeeze, firmware and installation

2010-05-09 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 05/07/2010 12:02 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le vendredi 07 mai 2010 à 09:49 +0800, Paul Wise a écrit : >> So the problem only occurs when installing on a host you don't have >> physical access to and which requires non-free firmware blobs to >> access the network? Does it occur in any other s

Re: Squeeze, firmware and installation

2010-05-09 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > Right. It works, but it is an annoying extra step to do. And I had more than > one > customer asking me why Debian is forcing them to do such an extra step and why > they should not just use Ubuntu. Tell them to blame their hardware vendor

Re: Squeeze, firmware and installation

2010-05-09 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Freitag, 7. Mai 2010, Paul Wise wrote: > What makes it problematic to modify the install media (initrd I guess) > you downloaded and add the firmware? For quite some people it's very difficult (hi bro!), for some it's impossible (hi dad!) and for most of the rest it's a PITA (hi me!). And