Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

2009-01-13 Thread Michael Meskes
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 10:34:41PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: > He's doing more than interpret the results. He claims they are ambigous, > and that his "interpretation" is based on his speculation on what he thinks > the developers want. No, instead of whining and acusing people you should try t

Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

2009-01-13 Thread Michael Meskes
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 10:37:28PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 09:26:20PM +, Robert Millan wrote: > > > We're having a serious discussion, and you guys are adding noise. If you > > > want to make jokes, please at least start a separate thread. > ... > That goes for

Re: I give up (for the time being)

2009-01-13 Thread Martin Schulze
Robert Millan wrote: > So, I'll stop now. Do not think this means the problem just got "solved". I > only do it because I expect we can have a healthy discussion about it after > Lenny is released. Thanks. Regards, Joey -- Life is a lot easier when you have someone to share it with.

Re: I give up (for the time being)

2009-01-13 Thread Loïc Minier
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Updated Debian Maintainers Keyring

2009-01-13 Thread Anibal Monsalve Salazar
With the upload of debian-maintainers version 1.52, the following changes to the keyring have been made: i...@jhr-online.de Full name: Jan Hauke Rahm Added key: D26FB242AAA167AC310E69F718EA7A5DE0FC710D michael.ha...@ovgu.de Full name: Michael Hanke Added key: 13A481525A76CE3A9EDB

Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

2009-01-13 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 11:35:22AM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > How about you going elsewhere until Lenny is released, then coming back > as soon as that happens and start working on what is left to fix then? > (Not right before a release, right after a release for a change.) > A VERY BIG +1

Scheduling project-wide post-lenny discussions?

2009-01-13 Thread Adeodato Simó
Hm. It seems we have a number of projet-wide discussions that we've more or less agreed to postpone until lenny is out. I have a moderate fear that once that happens, they are going to explode (the discussions) all over the lists. I suggested the creation of the DiscussionsAfterLenny wiki page a

Re: Scheduling project-wide post-lenny discussions?

2009-01-13 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Tue Jan 13 17:39, Adeodato Simó wrote: > So, I'm interested in knowing if people would be fine with making a list > of these "big issues" we have to discuss, and trying to give them > "slots", as in putting them in some order that makes sense. Also, IMHO, > having one or two (per-topic) people "

Re: I give up (for the time being)

2009-01-13 Thread Russ Allbery
Robert Millan writes: > So, I'll stop now. Do not think this means the problem just got > "solved". I only do it because I expect we can have a healthy > discussion about it after Lenny is released. > > Best wishes to everyone, Thank you. Sincerely. I think this will mean we can have a bette

Re: search.debian.org

2009-01-13 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Hi, Thomas Viehmann wrote: > apologies for the cross-post, choose your favorite one of the two to reply. > search.debian.org[1], a slightly patched xapian-omega instance, is > looking for a kind DD (or a team?) to pick it up. Some more improvements > to the language support would be desirable, tha

A Software Populist Who Doesn't Do Windows

2009-01-13 Thread Ean Schuessler
I don't know how many of you caught sight of this article about Ubuntu in the New York Times, its an amusingly stilted read. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/business/11ubuntu.html I know its now considered bad form to whine about Ubuntu's chronic success at taking credit for Debian's achiev

Re: A Software Populist Who Doesn't Do Windows

2009-01-13 Thread Russ Allbery
Ean Schuessler writes: > I don't know how many of you caught sight of this article about Ubuntu > in the New York Times, its an amusingly stilted read. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/business/11ubuntu.html It's a dreadful article. It's characteristic of the worst sort of technological r

Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

2009-01-13 Thread Ian Jackson
Robert Millan writes ("Re: Results of the Lenny release GR"): > Actually, I accept the outcome of the last vote. I don't like that we made > an exception for firmware, but the developers chose to make one so there's no > point in arguing about it. > > On the other hand, it appears that the Secret

Re: Scheduling project-wide post-lenny discussions?

2009-01-13 Thread Ian Jackson
Adeodato Simó writes ("Scheduling project-wide post-lenny discussions?"): > It seems we have a number of projet-wide discussions that we've more or > less agreed to postpone until lenny is out. I have a moderate fear that > once that happens, they are going to explode (the discussions) all over >

Re: Scheduling project-wide post-lenny discussions?

2009-01-13 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Tue Jan 13 20:50, Ian Jackson wrote: > We have a number of constitutional proposals: > > - Require Secretary to include position statement URLs in ballots > - Require Secretary to assist people with ballot drafting and >empower Secretary to briefly delay votes to do so > -

Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

2009-01-13 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Adeodato Simó wrote: > * Robert Millan [Sun, 11 Jan 2009 08:22:58 +0100]: > >> Currently, the only solution I see is that we ask the developers what they >> think, and hold another vote. > > Yes, I'm realizing myself there is not going to be another way. :-( > > Proposal: hand Robert Millan

Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

2009-01-13 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Robert Millan wrote: > OTOH, if you just tell me to "go elsewhere", I'm sorry but I don't want to > look the other way while the project destroys its reputation for having a > commitment to freedom, a democratic system and a set of principles. The only one who works on destroying the project at t