Re: Debian 4.0 finally arrives... does anyone care?

2007-04-15 Thread David Nusinow
On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 09:13:39PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Tue, 10 Apr 2007, Steve Langasek wrote: > > >If you find some facts in there, > > Well, it was just mentioned that others turned the facts into > bug reports and I do not really want to reply to double rhetorics. > > >feel free

Re: updates in stable do happen

2007-04-15 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Raphael Hertzog [Wed, Apr 11 2007, 08:46:29AM]: > If we're going to experiment something like that, I think it would have > to: > - be a subset of our packages and it should concentrate on applications, > we should avoid library updates in that section > - have a policy of continuous

What's needed to integrate backports at full scale

2007-04-15 Thread Raphael Hertzog
[ Moving to -devel for a more technical discussion, please respect reply-to ] On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Christoph Haas wrote: > (1) Packages depend always on the newest other package versions > > Most of the time the (automatically calculated) dependencies of packages > that go into unstable are on ot

Re: What's needed to integrate backports at full scale

2007-04-15 Thread Loïc Minier
On Sun, Apr 15, 2007, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Build-Depends: perl (>= 5.8.0), libmysqlclient15-dev > Sarge-Build-Depends: perl (>= 5.8.0), libmysqlclient12-dev This is not very practical when the build-deps get very long and it's not a place where you can use substvars. :-/ -- Loïc Minier "F

Re: What's needed to integrate backports at full scale

2007-04-15 Thread David Nusinow
On Sun, Apr 15, 2007 at 08:32:30PM +0200, Loïc Minier wrote: > On Sun, Apr 15, 2007, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > Build-Depends: perl (>= 5.8.0), libmysqlclient15-dev > > Sarge-Build-Depends: perl (>= 5.8.0), libmysqlclient12-dev > > This is not very practical when the build-deps get very long and

Re: When Debian 4.1 will arrive... will anyone care?

2007-04-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 07:08:08PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > Some users, I guess some developpers and contributors, and at > > > least myself, find it very demotivating to think that a new release > > > means that nothing will happen anymore

Re: Debian 4.0 finally arrives... does anyone care?

2007-04-15 Thread Andreas Tille
On Sun, 15 Apr 2007, David Nusinow wrote: Vaughan-Nichols is a troll, pure and simple, and we have vastly more positive things to do for ourselves, for our users, and for the community at large than listen to his puffed up sense of entitlement. OK, I try it once more: There was a valid point i

Re: Debian 4.0 finally arrives... does anyone care?

2007-04-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Apr 15, 2007 at 09:30:13PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Sun, 15 Apr 2007, David Nusinow wrote: > > >Vaughan-Nichols is a troll, pure and simple, and we have vastly more > >positive things to do for ourselves, for our users, and for the community > >at large than listen to his puffed up

Re: When Debian 4.1 will arrive... will anyone care?

2007-04-15 Thread Andreas Schuldei
* Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070415 21:01]: > I think testing already supports that to some extent, and that the bits > where it does not can be worked on. Creating another branch does not > seem like something useful to me. but it is requested a LOT by people who have to run stable (hug

Re: When Debian 4.1 will arrive... will anyone care?

2007-04-15 Thread Julien Cristau
On Sun, Apr 15, 2007 at 22:23:58 +0200, Andreas Schuldei wrote: > php is a popular candidate to have from backports on a lot of big > german hosters, for example. If they could help somehow they would, as > debian is dominating the market completly and this is a very common > problem. > do we hav

Re: Re: When Debian 4.1 will arrive... will anyone care?

2007-04-15 Thread Philippe Cloutier
do we have the security infrastructure/manpower to handle even more php packages? I'm not sure php is a prime candidate for official backports. PHP was just an example which was relevant before Etch's release. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Tr

Re: Debian 4.0 finally arrives... does anyone care?

2007-04-15 Thread MJ Ray
Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > The only thing I wanted to say is: We should not ignore a text for > the only reason that the author is a troll. It might happen that > even trolls find something we can enhance. [...] That was first posted in reply to me, yet I never suggested th

"testing" -> "current" (was Re: When Debian 4.1 will arrive... will anyone care?)

2007-04-15 Thread Philippe Cloutier
"testing" isn't what desktop users would want to use - at least not by that name. They don't want to test things. They want current packages that aren't too broken or have too obvious bugs. Why not call it "current"? Because that would be vague and misleading. If I'm asked "What's the current