> Instead, will you please explain what you believe would be the advantages to
> the *project* that "demoting" many DDs would bring?
Fairness in the power structure. It would also seem honorable to give
DMs a partial weighted vote (I believe three-fifths of one vote has
some negative connotations
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There are good reasons for having the checks that we do in the NM queue; I
> don't think there's anything in there that should be cut out, being a full
> member of Debian does bring with it a lot of privilege and responsibility,
> and the process for deci
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 01:02:15PM +, MJ Ray wrote:
> Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > There are good reasons for having the checks that we do in the NM queue; I
> > don't think there's anything in there that should be cut out, being a full
> > member of Debian does bring with it a
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Clint Adams wrote:
> > Instead, will you please explain what you believe would be the advantages to
> > the *project* that "demoting" many DDs would bring?
>
> Fairness in the power structure. It would also seem honorable to give
How about going after "Try hard to improve th
On Wednesday 14 March 2007, Bastian Venthur wrote:
> Anthony Towns schrieb:
> > My theory is that we should do something like this:
> >
> > 1) create a class of contributors called "debian maintainers"
> My first thought: do we really need this new class of contributors? I
> mean how many peo
> How about going after "Try hard to improve things, but don't shake the house
> too much while at it"? There is a "cost" to improving things, and if you
> have to disturb everyone to do it, then that cost is high. It may not be
> worth it.
What? How does that not apply to the very DM proposal
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 01:02:15PM +, MJ Ray wrote:
> The sponsors who have enough time to make such silly claims should be
> spending more time checking their sponsorees packages! I wonder if
> some of them are sponsoring because they think NM is needlessly slow,
> rather than because they wa
"cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...] and that's not because I think I can't pass
> it, but simply because I'm not looking forward to starting a long,
> drawn-out process (average time to complete NM is what? 6 months to a
> year?)
According to https://nm.debian.org/ i
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Clint Adams wrote:
> > How about going after "Try hard to improve things, but don't shake the house
> > too much while at it"? There is a "cost" to improving things, and if you
> > have to disturb everyone to do it, then that cost is high. It may not be
> > worth it.
>
> Wh
Jonas Smedegaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote [quoted with permission]:
> [...] I kept repeating same argument, which X
> refused to accept. Each time I repeated, I raised my voice a bit,
Just an aside for future reference: unless the other person is hard of
hearing, I can't see that approach ending
On Thursday 15 March 2007, Clint Adams wrote:
> > How about going after "Try hard to improve things, but don't shake the
> > house too much while at it"? There is a "cost" to improving things,
> > and if you have to disturb everyone to do it, then that cost is high.
> > It may not be worth it.
>
MJ Ray escribe:
> Anyone got another way out?
In Spain we usually say something like "why arguing when something can
be solved fighting?"
("a hostias" in spanish, but those are bad words... :)
Cordially, Ismael
--
Ismael Valladolid Torres m. +34679156321
La media hostia j. [EMAIL PRO
Kevin Mark wrote:
> > The question is, is there a way we can minimize the overhead of integrating
> > contributions from folks who aren't (yet) DDs? Given what I see and hear
> > from various sponsors, the review of sponsored uploads is already a joke;
>
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MJ Ray wrote:
> Jonas Smedegaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote [quoted with permission]:
>> [...] I kept repeating same argument, which X
>> refused to accept. Each time I repeated, I raised my voice a bit,
>
> Just an aside for future reference: unless t
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 08:37:02PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
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> MJ Ray wrote:
> > Jonas Smedegaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote [quoted with permission]:
> >> [...] I kept repeating same argument, which X
> >> refused to accept. Each time I repe
Bastian Venthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> My first thought: do we really need this new class of contributors? I
> mean how many people do you currently know fitting in this category
> (don't like to become DD just maintainers). I guess there will be some,
> but I think the amount of people sho
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 10:27:12PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> If you'd like to mentor, you will need to register as such[2] and fill
> in your profile, checking the Debian box in the list of orgs. Once
> you've done that, Zack and I will be able to approve you so you can be
> added into the off
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 01:02:15PM +, MJ Ray wrote:
> Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > There are good reasons for having the checks that we do in the NM queue; I
> > don't think there's anything in there that should be cut out, being a full
> > member of Debian does bring with it a
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 07:58:03PM -0400, Michael Olson wrote:
>
> I am one such person who wishes to be able to upload Debian packages
> for software that I maintain without becoming a DD. The main reason
> for not wanting to become a DD is an adverse reaction to the result of
> Debian Vote 2006
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 01:09:12AM +0100, Frans Pop wrote:
>On Friday 23 February 2007 03:13, Anthony Towns wrote:
>> I'm trying to be descriptive here rather than prescriptive or
>> proscriptive [...]
>
>I appreciate the clear overview of the current status. I would also like
>to say that I feel
Clint Adams dijo [Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 11:22:37PM -0400]:
> Really? If this "maintainer" thing goes through, I think it would set a
> horrifying double standard if we don't go ahead and start demoting
> people accordingly.
>
> Why should people be grandfathered just because they've passed through
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh dijo [Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 10:22:32AM -0300]:
> I (and a lot of other people) would like to give everyone that really
> participates in Debian full DD voting privileges. This means translators,
> documentation people, and others that have no business getting anywhere
>
cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Well me for one:
> I've been actively involved with Debian for years (as a translator since
> march 2003, and as non-DD maintainer of 1 simple package since may 2005).
> Despite having been involved for years I still haven't bothered to g
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Just an aside for future reference: unless the other person is hard of
> hearing, I can't see that approach ending well. If one can't explain it
> any way that the other person will accept, then I think there comes a
> point when one should reply:
> 1/ "let's
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Well, what part of "you can't change this" is actually Free? The
> outcome was that if something uses the GFDL without invariant sections,
> then it is Free (as in DFSG-compliant). If something has invariant
> sections, then it (at least that pa
Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña schrieb:
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 10:27:12PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>> If you'd like to mentor, you will need to register as such[2] and fill
>> in your profile, checking the Debian box in the list of orgs. Once
>> you've done that, Zack and I will be able to a
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