On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Nick Phillips wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 12:11:36AM +, MJR wrote:
> > By the way, can you substantiate that Shakespeare claim? To
> > forestall the one in the Comedy of Errors, "not a man" =
> > "no men", which is a plural, so "their" can be accurate. Many
> > alleged
On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 07:27:26PM +, Helen Faulkner wrote:
> I was looking over some of the documentation on the page you mentioned,
> and I noticed that some of the templates assume that the people referred
> to will be male. [1] assumes that a NM applicant is male. [2] assumes
> that an
also sprach Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.01.31.1258
+0100]:
> By the way. Could we please use "gender" in db.debian.org?
This is a good idea.
To address Helen's concern... this is a problem with the English
language. However, it is only a problem ever since feminists
identi
Op vr, 28-01-2005 te 15:16 -0800, schreef Mr. Jan Hearthstone:
> There should be a package "joe-debian-user.1.0.deb"
> (a. k. a. "debai.1.0.deb")- with the help of which a
> non-techie user would be able to fix any problem
> that
> he/she could ever encounter while using Debian.
Oh, you mean so
On Monday 31 January 2005 03:43 am, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> I wonder how many native speakers would assume "they" to refer to an
> unknown number of unknown elements when used as an indefinite pronoum?
> That seems to be the real question here.
Whatever its merits in formal writing
On Monday 31 January 2005 10:06 am, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> "they" is commonly used colloquially
> (at least around here) as a gender-neutral substitute for "he" or "she".
And just to be ultra-clear, I don't mean "used by PC people", but rather
"used in informal speech as the preferred alternat
On 10186 March 1977, Steve Langasek wrote:
>> > Could you please reword these to use gender-neutral language. My
>> > suggested solutions for the problematic paragraphs are included below.
>> Ugh. English has no gender-neutral third person singular pronoun,
> "they".
they is gender-neutral? Le
On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 10:14:12AM -0500, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> On Monday 31 January 2005 10:06 am, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> > "they" is commonly used colloquially
> > (at least around here) as a gender-neutral substitute for "he" or "she".
>
> And just to be ultra-clear, I don't mean "used by
Joerg Jaspert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> they is gender-neutral? Leads to very bad-sounding, at least for my ear,
> things like
>
> How have they contributed to Debian already?
> What do they intend to do for Debian in the future?
> How do they interact with others, such as users and other deve
* Helen Faulkner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-01-30 19:27]:
> Could you please reword these to use gender-neutral language. My
> suggested solutions for the problematic paragraphs are included
> below.
Thanks, I've added your and Anthony DeRobertis's changes.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> By the same token, it should also have a second person plural,
> which it lacks [...] much like a lot of the country uses
> "y'all", or "you all" for those who don't want to sound
> Southern, for a second person plural [...]
*The* country? I've not noticed southern Engla
On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 06:18:19PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> You can do that with some encodings. I seem to recall many of the ISO ones
> for CJK are quite capable of doing it. EUC certainly *isn't*, and
> shift-jis isn't either (but then, EUC is a hack, and shift-jis is an ugly
* Joerg Jaspert ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050131 19:00]:
> On 10186 March 1977, Steve Langasek wrote:
>
> >> > Could you please reword these to use gender-neutral language. My
> >> > suggested solutions for the problematic paragraphs are included below.
> >> Ugh. English has no gender-neutral third
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:04:36 -0700, Joel Aelwyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> *) English common usage (rather than formal usage) is rapidly and
> widely adopting "singular they" (much like a lot of the country uses
> "y'all", or "you all" for those who don't want to sound Southern,
> for a second p
On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 10:06:01AM -0500, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> On Monday 31 January 2005 03:43 am, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> > I wonder how many native speakers would assume "they" to refer to an
> > unknown number of unknown elements when used as an indefinite pronoum?
> > That see
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> [...] they had signs saying, "Each passenger
> must have their own ticket." This line made it all the way through an
> entire bureaucracy without anyone noticing it was "wrong".
The area where I grew up had signs which clearly said
"No parking offenders will be prosecut
On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 03:41:51PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:04:36 -0700, Joel Aelwyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > *) English common usage (rather than formal usage) is rapidly and
> > widely adopting "singular they" (much like a lot of the country uses
> > "y'all",
Matthew Garrett wrote:
Joerg Jaspert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
they is gender-neutral? Leads to very bad-sounding, at least for my ear,
things like
How have they contributed to Debian already?
What do they intend to do for Debian in the future?
How do they interact with others, such as users and o
On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 10:05:33PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
> * Joerg Jaspert ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050131 19:00]:
> > On 10186 March 1977, Steve Langasek wrote:
> >
> > >> > Could you please reword these to use gender-neutral language. My
> > >> > suggested solutions for the problematic parag
Steve Langasek wrote:
On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 03:41:51PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
A nit: y'all is singular. "all y'all" is plural. Notherners
often get this wrong.
Amusing to have this juxtaposed with the statement that English is a
terrible language for purity. ;)
Yes, I'm a northern
Anthony Towns asks,
> Is there any reason why grammar, porn and spam debates
> are attracting so much traffic?
There is a reason, I think. Characterizable visions
fundamentally conflict. Although innumerable subtle
shadings of viewpoint are found, one does notice that,
by and large, the same pe
On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 02:13:12PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.01.31.1258
> +0100]:
> > By the way. Could we please use "gender" in db.debian.org?
> This is a good idea.
> To address Helen's concern... this is a problem with the
I apologise for entering this discussion without doing my homework.
Argh.
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On Monday 31 January 2005 14:38, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 02:13:12PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
> > also sprach Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.01.31.1258
+0100]:
> If you don't want to get flamed, try to make a point of reading the
> thread you're repl
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