On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 14:00:51 +, Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> As you say, there's a couple of practical issues. There's also the
> fact that putting something in contrib is something of a judgement -
> we're saying that this driver needs non-free code to work, and as a
> result i
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:57:08 -0600, Manoj Srivastava
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> Software that resides on disk, however, lives on our side of
> the divide; the kernel, and the filesystem drivers are required to
> mediate delivery of this non-free payload to the system, and it can'
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 14:49:36 +0100, Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Craig Sanders:
>
> > and, as you pointed out yourself, this freedom (to patch) exists
> > even when it is not explicitly granted by the license.
>
> Without permission from the author, you may not redistribute patch
Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> right. even after 6 days you can't come up with any answer to over 70 lines
> of argument in that message, so you retreat to the position of a coward and a
> cretin - delete all but one flippant throw-away line and make a stupid
> ad-hominem attack based
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I must confess I do not see it that way. I think of Debian as
> distriuting softwware that runs on a platform, this platform consists
> of hardware, and, perhaps, associated software burned into
> ROM/flash. We do not distribute the hardware
On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 12:17:05AM -0800, Michael K. Edwards wrote:
> Do you think it would be tolerable to exclude non-free firmware images
> from the kernel binary and modules themselves but to permit loading
> them from the initrd or the root filesystem? I. e., treat the
> firmware download fun
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> Once the hardware's out there, it's out there--I don't think the case of
> "all devices with firmware in flash have been tracked down and destroyed,
> so we have to move this driver back to contrib" is a serious worry.
I was thinking more of the cases, "skipping the firmware download used
to res
On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 10:33:40AM +, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I must confess I do not see it that way. I think of Debian as
> > distriuting softwware that runs on a platform, this platform consists
> > of hardware, and, perhaps, asso
On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 09:27:43PM +0100, Peter Vandenabeele wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 10:33:40AM +, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I must confess I do not see it that way. I think of Debian as
> > > distriuting softwware that runs
On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 09:15:47PM +1100, Sam Couter wrote:
> Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > right. even after 6 days you can't come up with any answer to over 70 lines
> > of argument in that message, so you retreat to the position of a coward and
> > a
> > cretin - delete all but
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