Selon Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Does it bother you that the Project seems to be predominantly
> Christian (as in most developers come from a Christian background)?
> Why not? Given that the project is a global one, don't you think
> Buddhists are under represented? Hindus?
Selon Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 10:29:40PM +0200, J?r?me Marant wrote:
> > Evidence. I would like to see evidence that Debian has not been giving
> > equal rights to males and women over the past years.
>
> The fact that our male / female participation ratio is
On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 05:46:57PM -0700, Jonathan Walther wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 10:29:40AM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> >On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 10:29:40PM +0200, J?r?me Marant wrote:
> >>Evidence. I would like to see evidence that Debian has not been giving
> >>equal rights to males
On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 11:00:08PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 10:29:40 +1000, Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 10:29:40PM +0200, J?r?me Marant wrote:
> >> Evidence. I would like to see evidence that Debian has not been
> >> giving equ
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 10:47:45AM +0200, J?r?me Marant wrote:
> Selon Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 10:29:40PM +0200, J?r?me Marant wrote:
> > > Evidence. I would like to see evidence that Debian has not been giving
> > > equal rights to males and women over the p
On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 05:50:46PM -0700, Jonathan Walther wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 10:41:33AM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> >>What is left unexamined in all these discussions is why Debian (as a
> >>project) should be doing anything to tackle inequalities?
> >
> >Because there's a whole p
On 2004-08-07 12:55:27 +0100 Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
How about statements from the people who have decided not to
participate
because of the culture? How many would convince you?
Is anyone planning to build data in a referenced way from these?
Otherwise, it feels like DDs
On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 10:56:49PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 10:41:33 +1000, Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 01:47:51PM -0400, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote:
> >> Or is the contention that there is some barrier to involvement by
> >> women (an
Selon Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > It is fact, not evidence. You cannot conclude it comes from discrimination.
>
> You can't conclude it doesn't, either. We have several women on this list
I don't conclude anything because I can't get any evidence, and I'd
like to hear them from you.
ErX Elíxír is 5 times more potent than V,í.a,g.r,a!
íncreased s.e.m.e.n and s.p.e.r.m production up to 600%!
íncreased circulation and E.N,L.A,R.G,E your girth and size up to 3 inches
or MORE!
íncreased testosterone levels!
Obtain GIANT rock-solid more powerful e,r.e,c.t,í.o,n.
On 2004-08-07 13:11:55 +0100 Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
So you think that changing our culture to be less confrontational
would be
beneficial to encouraging participation by multiple groups?
Excellent.
Yes, but I'd like to see metrics for this and the data gathered. We
can al
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 22:11:55 +1000, Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 10:56:49PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 10:41:33 +1000, Matthew Palmer
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>> > On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 01:47:51PM -0400, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote:
>
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:43:06 +1000
Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The culture of the project may be causing us to drive away Africans and
> Hindus, yes. If so, I think we should consider it's effect and whether
> we are losing something valuable from their lack of participation.
>
>
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 02:37:13PM +0200, Jérôme Marant wrote:
> Selon Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > who are saying that they want to get involved in Debian, but for various
> > reasons they don't feel comfortable doing so.
>
> Which are? Please post them here. If there are such problems
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 09:38:53AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> The free software world has always benefited from selection
> pressure and competition between opposing solutions; when some thing
> does not work as you like, you are encouraged to change it to your
> liking, and if there
On 2004-08-07 18:54:18 +0100 David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
[...] Think of it as a gateway list that
supplements, but does not replace, lists like -mentors. If you'd read
the
FAQ[0] you'd see that this is a goal of the -women project.
Are posts which should otherwise go to other l
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 09:37:40PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
Don't assume there are stairs preventing the wheel-chaired person from
getting onto the basketball court; SHOW THEM to us. The fact that few
wheel-chaired people are into playing basketball with normal people
Talk about language s
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 09:49:35PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 10:47:45AM +0200, J?r?me Marant wrote:
Selon Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 10:29:40PM +0200, J?r?me Marant wrote:
> > Evidence. I would like to see evidence that Debian has not
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 09:55:27PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
The burden of evidence is on you. I'd like to see your proofs.
How about statements from the people who have decided not to participate
because of the culture? How many would convince you?
Our culture is our own. Every entity
[MJ Ray]
> Are posts which should otherwise go to other lists accepted on -women
> purely because they involve women? It looks that way from yesterday's
> list description and past activity.
Is that your real concern? You should breathe a sigh of relief when
you learn that the goals of the debia
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:11:33 +0200, Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 09:38:53AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> The free software world has always benefited from selection
>> pressure and competition between opposing solutions; when some
>> thing does not work as
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:55:27 +1000, Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 05:50:46PM -0700, Jonathan Walther wrote:
>> On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 10:41:33AM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
>> >>What is left unexamined in all these discussions is why Debian
>> >>(as a project
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 04:26:01PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Far as I can see, the mailing list has been created by a bunch of
> volunteers who have an itch to scratch; and while I may not always
> agree with the decisions taken, or the scoping of the effort, as
> always people who do the wo
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 04:32:06PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:55:27 +1000, Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 05:50:46PM -0700, Jonathan Walther wrote:
> >> On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 10:41:33AM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> >> >>What is
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 02:42:17PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> On 2004-08-07 13:11:55 +0100 Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >So you think that changing our culture to be less confrontational
> >would be
> >beneficial to encouraging participation by multiple groups?
> >Excellent.
>
> Y
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 09:38:53AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 22:11:55 +1000, Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 10:56:49PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> >> On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 10:41:33 +1000, Matthew Palmer
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> s
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 01:13:31PM -0700, Jonathan Walther wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 09:49:35PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> >On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 10:47:45AM +0200, J?r?me Marant wrote:
> >>Selon Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>> On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 10:29:40PM +0200, J?r?me
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 01:07:25PM -0700, Jonathan Walther wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 09:37:40PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> >>Don't assume there are stairs preventing the wheel-chaired person from
> >>getting onto the basketball court; SHOW THEM to us. The fact that few
> >>wheel-chaired
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 01:16:52PM -0700, Jonathan Walther wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 09:55:27PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> >>The burden of evidence is on you. I'd like to see your proofs.
> >
> >How about statements from the people who have decided not to participate
> >because of the c
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 12:54:29PM -0400, Christopher M. Hagar wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:43:06 +1000
> Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > The culture of the project may be causing us to drive away Africans and
> > Hindus, yes. If so, I think we should consider it's effect and wh
On 2004-08-07 22:24:12 +0100 Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[MJ Ray]
Are posts which should otherwise go to other lists accepted on -women
purely because they involve women? It looks that way from yesterday's
list description and past activity.
Is that your real concern? [...]
I
On 2004-08-08 01:21:54 +0100 Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I believe it to be useful to examine the issues raised and deal with
them if
the result would be of net benefit to the project.
This seems good, but it should happen in the usual debian forums as
far as possible.
As to
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> As to the barriers to involvement in Debian by women, it's pretty obvious
> that our gender participation ratio is decidedly different to that of the IT
> industry in general, let alone the general population. I believe (although
> I'd find it harder t
[MJ Ray]
> I look forward to seeing threads from -women redirected to -project,
> -newmaint and others, but it's not happened much yet AFAICT.
I look forward to it too. I don't think anyone wants to create a
private enclave whose members never venture into the rest of Debian.
If certain people c
34 matches
Mail list logo
