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Ean Schuessler wrote:
> I've been having some discussions with Chris Rourk (SPI counsel) lately
> about Debian trademarks and his points are worth discussing. His opinion
> is that Debian would be best served by abandoning its marks and
> purposefully making the term "Debian" generic. There are so
MJ Ray wrote:
> On 2004-05-07 07:31:27 +0100 Ean Schuessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> With the Debian trademark we want use that is almost entirely
>> unenforced
>> except for a few particular (and somewhat poorly defined) situations.
>
> The only well-defined situation I can see at the mo
Stephen Frost wrote:
> * Michael Poole ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>> Stephen Frost writes:
>> > I don't get it. Doesn't this mean, also, that in the UK people *could*
>> > sell shirts with the Coke logo on them? In which case it would seem to
>> > me that the reasons above for having a trademark
MJ Ray wrote:
> On 2004-05-07 14:55:36 +0100 Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> * MJ Ray ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>>> If it's software, it seems illegal anyway. If it's not software,
>>> it's
>>> probably outside the scope of debian's registered trademark.
>> Uh, it'd only be illegal
MJ Ray wrote:
> On 2004-05-07 14:20:37 +0100 Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Uh, or they use the Debian trademark for something that's not Debian
>> at
>> all.. That's not necessairly claiming it as backing or endorsement
>> from
>> Debian.
>
> If it's software, it seems illegal a
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Nathanael Nerode writes:
> MJ Ray wrote:
>
>> On 2004-05-07 14:20:37 +0100 Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Uh, or they use the Debian trademark for something that's not Debian
>>> at
>>> all.. That's not necessairly claiming it as backing or endorsement
>>> from
>>> Debian.
>>
>
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On 2004-05-09 10:03:26 +0100 Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
MJ Ray wrote:
The only well-defined situation I can see at the moment is when
someone attempts to claim debian association, backing or endorsement
fraudulently.
How about if someone simply starts their own Debian, perhap
On 2004-05-09 10:05:51 +0100 Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Note that a trademark doesn't have to be registered to exist.
OK, right, file, note the following about the previous emails:
generally, my use of "trademark" was referring to "registered
trademark giving access to the
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* MJ Ray ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> The restrictions permitted by a *registered* trademark are oppressive
> and Debian should not use them. Furthermore, it should not use
> copyright licences to police its logos because it is then promoting
> non-free software.
They're not oppressive and Debi
* MJ Ray ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> This might be an inadvertant attempt to claim assocation, but it is
> still such an attempt and is covered by common law in the UK. People
> launching a commercial enterprise in England are expected to check for
> other similar enterprises already using that
On 2004-05-09 23:59:30 +0100 Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Get a lawyer to back you up that
having the trademark registered doesn't help with enforcing it and
doesn't detract from the claims you can make. Additionally, make sure
the same is true in other juristictions such as the US
On 2004-05-09 23:57:23 +0100 Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
They're not oppressive and Debian certainly *should* use them to avoid
dillution of the Debian mark.
They are oppressive. Have you read them? Have you looked at cases in
this field?
The Debian project is not a traditional
* MJ Ray ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On 2004-05-09 23:57:23 +0100 Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >They're not oppressive and Debian certainly *should* use them to avoid
> >dillution of the Debian mark.
>
> They are oppressive. Have you read them? Have you looked at cases in
> this fi
* MJ Ray ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On 2004-05-09 23:59:30 +0100 Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Get a lawyer to back you up that
> >having the trademark registered doesn't help with enforcing it and
> >doesn't detract from the claims you can make. Additionally, make sure
> >the same
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