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Just so. It also isn't just a matter of payment. It would be wonderful if the
Internet and the things that happened on it were not subject to normal human
law but that just isn't the case. Ultimately, everything that Debian does is
done by people and those people are subject to the laws of their
I've been having some discussions with Chris Rourk (SPI counsel) lately about
Debian trademarks and his points are worth discussing. His opinion is that
Debian would be best served by abandoning its marks and purposefully making
the term "Debian" generic. There are some clear benefits.
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> -Original Message-
> From: Ean Schuessler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, 7 May 2004 4:33 PM
>
> Just so. It also isn't just a matter of payment. It would be
> wonderful if the
> Internet and the things that happened on it were not subject
> to normal human
> law but that
On 2004-05-07 07:31:27 +0100 Ean Schuessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
With the Debian trademark we want use that is almost entirely
unenforced
except for a few particular (and somewhat poorly defined) situations.
The only well-defined situation I can see at the moment is when
someone attemp
* MJ Ray ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On 2004-05-07 07:31:27 +0100 Ean Schuessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >With the Debian trademark we want use that is almost entirely
> >unenforced
> >except for a few particular (and somewhat poorly defined) situations.
>
> The only well-defined situation
On 2004-05-07 14:20:37 +0100 Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Uh, or they use the Debian trademark for something that's not Debian
at
all.. That's not necessairly claiming it as backing or endorsement
from
Debian.
If it's software, it seems illegal anyway. If it's not software, it's
* MJ Ray ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On 2004-05-07 14:20:37 +0100 Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Uh, or they use the Debian trademark for something that's not Debian
> >at
> >all.. That's not necessairly claiming it as backing or endorsement
> >from
> >Debian.
>
> If it's software
Stephen Frost writes:
> * MJ Ray ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
>> Not only is it not very Debian, but accurate use of the Debian mark to
>> refer to our Debian doesn't look like something we can stop with
>> trademarking in the UK:
>
> I don't get it. Doesn't this mean, also, that in the UK peop
On 2004-05-07 14:55:36 +0100 Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
* MJ Ray ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
If it's software, it seems illegal anyway. If it's not software,
it's
probably outside the scope of debian's registered trademark.
Uh, it'd only be illegal if we have a trademark on Debian
On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 05:15:59PM +1000, Parsons, Drew wrote:
> Let me explain what I mean. I am a member of the Debian Project, I am a
> Debian developer.
>
> I am not the DPL. I entrust that leadership role to Martin.
You vote (or can) for the DPL, and thus exercise oversight over that
posi
* MJ Ray ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Maybe illegal is the wrong word. I believe we could still prosecute
> for "passing off" without a trademark? There is an identifiable group
> called debian with a presence in the UK, so one arguably cannot
> produce software called "debian ..." without their
* Michael Poole ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Stephen Frost writes:
> > I don't get it. Doesn't this mean, also, that in the UK people *could*
> > sell shirts with the Coke logo on them? In which case it would seem to
> > me that the reasons above for having a trademark in the UK would be
> > perf
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On 2004-05-07 15:56:19 +0100 Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
common law not legislation, but it's the same reason that you cannot
call
your product "MJ Ray's Moolie Grater" if I produce moolie graters
and
that's not your one.
Erm, I guess I thought this was the specific reason for t
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