Re: Some Comments on Sexism in #debian

2004-03-16 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 07:54:10PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > > > Your mail fairly much appears to say nothing. > > But that talk did say many things. And I was not the only one offended > > by it. It was extremely sexist. Debian looked like (and probably is) a > > boys club. > Could you perhaps

Re: contrib

2004-03-16 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 01:59:09AM -0500, Evan Prodromou wrote: > * the GR doesn't specify that, but we take out contrib so we don't > have dangling dependencies contrib already has dangling dependencies, even with non-free. > * contrib gets in incorporated into main, with dangling

Re: Some Comments on Sexism in #debian

2004-03-16 Thread Mike Beattie
On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 01:30:08PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > We covered a number of the scripts in detail, and as a joke, > included pictures of the girls the rest were named after. That portion > of the talk just ended up as a soft-core slideshow though, and, to my > mind, didn't come off as

Re: Screw non-free.

2004-03-16 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 10:15:02PM -0500, Evan Prodromou wrote: > > "HM" == Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > HM> To our users who were used to quality packages from > HM> accountable maintainers even if the software wasn't 100% > HM> DFSG-compliant: bummer, man. > > The

Re: Screw non-free.

2004-03-16 Thread Hamish Moffatt
(No need to CC me.) On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 05:47:25PM -0500, Clint Adams wrote: > > To our users who were used to quality packages from accountable > > maintainers even if the software wasn't 100% DFSG-compliant: bummer, man. > > Out of date in non-free by arch > ---

Re: Screw non-free.

2004-03-16 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 10:15:02PM -0500, Evan Prodromou wrote: > > "HM" == Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > HM> Perhaps it is, but is that important? Anyone who works on > HM> non-free is volunteering their time to do so. Nobody is being > HM> forced or coerced. So

Re: Screw non-free.

2004-03-16 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 05:47:25PM -0500, Clint Adams wrote: > > To our users who were used to quality packages from accountable > > maintainers even if the software wasn't 100% DFSG-compliant: bummer, man. > > Out of date in non-free by arch > --- > alpha 72 > arm

Re: Screw non-free.

2004-03-16 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 09:32:16PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > I'm undecided as to whether I would bother to contribute to non-free.org > if Suffield's GR passes. I couldn't care less about a couple of my > non-free packages, but I know that a few of them are quite important to > our CJK users.

Re: Some Comments on Sexism in #debian

2004-03-16 Thread Amaya
Mike Beattie wrote: > I'll only apologise to those that are unable to take such things with > a grain of salt. No need to apologise, really. The talk was probably intended to be amusing and the overall tone was light-hearted. But I want you to realize that this puts people off. I even felt like w

Re: Some Comments on Sexism in #debian

2004-03-16 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 02:44:31PM +0100, Amaya wrote: > On a side note, other real life examples. > - At Debconf @ Toronto, BDale used grannies as examples of the worst > kind of clueless users Debian should aim at. Susan happens to be a DD > and a grannie, so he stood corrected, but refused m

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Re: Screw non-free.

2004-03-16 Thread Evan Prodromou
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > "HM" == Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: HM> I don't think the removal of non-free from debian.org can be HM> justified on the basis of time & effort alone. Of course not. Supporting non-free and contrib also complicates all o

Re: Some Comments on Sexism in #debian

2004-03-16 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 02:44:31PM +0100, Amaya wrote: > - On a talk at Madrid, Miguel de Icaza who is a close friend of mine > BTW, used female secretaries as examples of clueless users. Well, that's probably because that's empirically proven to be correct... it's like saying "stop only mention

Re: Screw non-free.

2004-03-16 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 01:02:54PM -0500, Evan Prodromou wrote: > Supporting non-free and contrib also complicates all our tools and > confuses people as to what "Debian" is. Neither of which is as tangible as the amount of effort necessary to switch, so you have to understand that there are peopl

Re: Screw non-free.

2004-03-16 Thread Evan Prodromou
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > "JR" == Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Me> Supporting non-free and contrib also complicates all our tools Me> and confuses people as to what "Debian" is. JR> Neither of which is as tangible as the amount of effort JR> n

Re: Some Comments on Sexism in #debian

2004-03-16 Thread Amaya
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