Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-10 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 02:39:17PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: >> With our underlying culture, I'm not sure if any attempts to change us will >> truly ever succeed in making us the caring, sharing, non-confrontational >> group that will make every person happy to work

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-10 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Andrew Suffield wrote: >> I can demonstrate evidence that I'm not a gerbil quite handily. > > No you can't, because you're a gerbil and gerbils can't form rational > arguments. It is logically impossible for you to disprove this, > because your burden-of-proof notion is backwards (in formal l

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-10 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Jonathan Walther wrote: >>1. Don't pander to us just because we're women. > > Why not? There are standards of civility, and those standards include > acting like a gentleman. ... towards *everybody*, not just towards women. Which is exactly her point. -- Matthias Urlichs

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-10 Thread Jonathan Walther
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 07:19:02AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: 1. Don't pander to us just because we're women. Why not? There are standards of civility, and those standards include acting like a gentleman. ... towards *everybody*, not just towards women. Which is exactly her point. Gen

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-10 Thread Jonathan Walther
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 07:04:58AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: People cannot usefully participate in a debate unless they grow a skin, or while they are emotionally attached to an argument. True, assuming ... Providing crutches for them will only make things worse. ... that it's an argum

Question about different versions

2004-03-10 Thread Ricardo S
Hi. Sorry to bother you but i looked a lot to the page but I can't find the info that i'm looking for. I want to know what version of the packages or programs is packed with different versions. I downloaded the woody distro (cd's 1,2 and 3) and it has kde 3 or less i guess. I want to know what v

Re: Question about different versions

2004-03-10 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Ricardo S] > Hi. Sorry to bother you but i looked a lot to the page but I can't find > the info that i'm looking for. For future reference, a better place to ask this sort of question is [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I want to know what version of the packages or programs is packed > with different ver

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-10 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:05:54PM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote: > Gentlemen treat women with greater gentleness and with less expectation > than they do their fellow men. A gentleman, for instance, would not > think to lift a fellow man over a rain puddle, but would instantly offer > such assis

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-10 Thread Jonathan Walther
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:06:32PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:05:54PM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote: Gentlemen treat women with greater gentleness and with less expectation than they do their fellow men. A gentleman, for instance, would not think to lift a fellow ma

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-10 Thread Martin Schulze
Jonathan Walther wrote: > >... towards *everybody*, not just towards women. > > > >Which is exactly her point. > > Gentlemen treat women with greater gentleness and with less expectation > than they do their fellow men. A gentleman, for instance, would not > think to lift a fellow man over a rain

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-10 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Jonathan Walther] > Gentlemen treat women with greater gentleness and with less > expectation than they do their fellow men. A gentleman, for > instance, would not think to lift a fellow man over a rain puddle, > but would instantly offer such assistance to a lady. I know it has not escaped you

Re: Proposed transition plan for non-free and call for help

2004-03-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 08:15:42PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: > On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 07:48:20PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > What about recomends and suggests of contrib or non-free packages from > > debian/main ? > > How should it handle it? Well, i would say that recomends and suggests fr

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 07:10:54AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Hi, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > >> I can demonstrate evidence that I'm not a gerbil quite handily. > > > > No you can't, because you're a gerbil and gerbils can't form rational > > arguments. It is logically impossible for you to

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-10 Thread Jonathan Walther
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 08:37:54AM +, Peter Samuelson wrote: Gentlemen treat women with greater gentleness and with less expectation than they do their fellow men. A gentleman, for instance, would not think to lift a fellow man over a rain puddle, but would instantly offer such assistance to

Re: Proposed transition plan for non-free and call for help

2004-03-10 Thread Michael Banck
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 09:25:32AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 08:15:42PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 07:48:20PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > > What about recomends and suggests of contrib or non-free packages from > > > debian/main ? > > > > H

Re: Proposed transition plan for non-free and call for help

2004-03-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 11:22:28AM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: > On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 09:25:32AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 08:15:42PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 07:48:20PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > > > What about recomends and sugges

Re: Question about different versions

2004-03-10 Thread Tapio Lehtonen
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 03:25:53AM -0300, Ricardo S wrote: > Hi. Sorry to bother you but i looked a lot to the page but I can't find > the info that i'm looking for. debian-project is not the proper mailing list for this kind of question. But you can find the info in http://www.de.debian.org/dis

Re: Proposed transition plan for non-free and call for help

2004-03-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 11:22:28AM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: > On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 09:25:32AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 08:15:42PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 07:48:20PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > > > What about recomends and sugges

Re: Proposed transition plan for non-free and call for help

2004-03-10 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 02:36:49PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: > [-devel and -vote CCed. Please respect the Mail-Followup-To -project. > You should really subscribe to -project, it's not that big. In any case, > I will try read and reply to any comment] I think this is relevant to debian-vote too,

Re: debian is too big

2004-03-10 Thread John Goerzen
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:21:21PM -0600, Graham Wilson wrote: > On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 12:25:13PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 09:44:23AM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: > > > That would be a godsend. It would work, too. It's happening already: > > > a lot of people

Re: Proposed transition plan for non-free and call for help

2004-03-10 Thread Michael Banck
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 11:38:47PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > I suspect some of our users might not want to use packages from a > less trusted source. I would have concerns myself. Of course, and this was indeed one the prime design requirements. Do you feel your concerns are adequately addr

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-10 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 12:43:59PM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote: > I'd take a bullet for my wife, my mother, my sisters, but never for > a feminist. Just in case there is a misunderstanding here, this is what dict-wn has to say about feminism: feminist adj : of or relating to or advocating

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-10 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 12:14:48AM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote: > On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:06:32PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > >On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:05:54PM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote: > >>Gentlemen treat women with greater gentleness and with less > >>expectation than they do thei

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-10 Thread Jonathan Walther
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 08:38:31AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:06:32PM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote: To the contrary, it is equalitarians that treat people inhumanely; expecting too much of some, and denigrating the abilities of others. Do you expect a man to bear ch

[jhuns@vt.edu: [F/OSS-Discuss] PhD Scholarship at ITU: Open Source MMOG Development]

2004-03-10 Thread Martin Michlmayr
Slighty off-topic but perhaps of interest to someone here. - Forwarded message from jeremy hunsinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - From: jeremy hunsinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [F/OSS-Discuss] PhD Scholarship at ITU: Open Source MMOG Development Date: Wed, 10 Ma

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-10 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 10:03:42AM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote: > On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 08:38:31AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > >>On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:06:32PM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote: > >>To the contrary, it is equalitarians that treat people inhumanely; > >>expecting too much of

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-10 Thread Jonathan Walther
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 10:26:54AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: I don't see the point of your ongoing uterine fixation in this discussion. It doesn't seem to support your argument. "Women bear children, and men do not, and therefore I am paying them a favour in treating them as intellectually an

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-10 Thread Matt Zimmerman
EOT. *plonk* -- - mdz

debian is too odd (Was: Re: debian is too big)

2004-03-10 Thread Martin Albert
On Wednesday 10 March 2004 15:15, John Goerzen wrote: > On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:21:21PM -0600, Graham Wilson wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 12:25:13PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 09:44:23AM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg > > > > That would be a godsend. It would w

Re: [OT] Re: A freak (but not so freak) idea: User space apt-get install

2004-03-10 Thread Pascal Hakim
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 06:36:18PM -0600, Adam Heath wrote: > On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Paul Hampson wrote: > > > This email is licensed to the recipient for non-commercial > > use, duplication and distribution. > > --- > > This email is non-DFSG

Re: [OT] Re: A freak (but not so freak) idea: User space apt-get install

2004-03-10 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Pascal Hakim dijo [Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 02:39:39PM +1100]: > > > This email is licensed to the recipient for non-commercial > > > use, duplication and distribution. > > > --- > > > > This email is non-DFSG. We need to remove it from the list

Re: [OT] Re: A freak (but not so freak) idea: User space apt-get install

2004-03-10 Thread Pascal Hakim
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 10:26:51PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Pascal Hakim dijo [Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 02:39:39PM +1100]: > > > > This email is licensed to the recipient for non-commercial > > > > use, duplication and distribution. > > > > ---

Re: [OT] Re: A freak (but not so freak) idea: User space apt-get install

2004-03-10 Thread Gunnar Wolf
> Neither of those two documents say that we will keep all postings on > the archives, or that we will remove them, they just say that we will > if we want to. Ummm... All emails sent to the lists are distributed both to the list subscribers and copied to the public archive, for people to b