Dale Scheetz writes:
> It comes down to: Can you do "normal" things that may be required by the
> task at hand? Scanning a passport seems to be a reasonable skill to
> require of incoming members. Isn't it?
No. Why should being a debian developer require you to be able to get
hold of a scanne
> The gain is that he presents his face to the group, in a form that we can
> archive for "our" records, saying, "yes, we have seen this guy". This gain
> is to the group as well as to the applicant. There is nothing to be gained
> at this point (and much to put at risk) by presenting a false
Dale Scheetz writes:
I think that either Dale or myself has misunderstood something here,
since his argument makes little sense from my (albeit limited)
knowledge of how PGP/GPG keysigning works. I've kept the quoted text
below because it seems to me to be the most succinct form of his
argument.
(I have subscribed this list, so cc to me is not needed)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
on Tue, 1 Aug 2000 20:49:42 +0200,
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 08:21:37PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
> > I am rather scared by a statement that effectively assumes th
On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 08:49:42PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
> It just occured to my that effectively, both privileges are not granted to
> Debian members only. We have sponsors who upload packages contributed by
> non-members. Although those can't upload themselves, it is prettym uch the
> s
On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
> It just occured to my that effectively, both privileges are not granted to
> Debian members only. We have sponsors who upload packages contributed by
> non-members. Although those can't upload themselves, it is prettym uch the
> same. And we all know
On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Matthew Vernon wrote:
> Dale Scheetz writes:
>
> I think that either Dale or myself has misunderstood something here,
> since his argument makes little sense from my (albeit limited)
> knowledge of how PGP/GPG keysigning works. I've kept the quoted text
> below because it see
On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Matthew Vernon wrote:
> Dale Scheetz writes:
>
> > It comes down to: Can you do "normal" things that may be required by the
> > task at hand? Scanning a passport seems to be a reasonable skill to
> > require of incoming members. Isn't it?
>
> No. Why should being a debian
On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 06:58:40PM +, Dale Scheetz wrote:
>
> This photo isn't about a "web of trust". That requirement is satisfied by
> the key. The photo is about being able to identify our membership. As your
> key fingerprint is not required to be barcoded onto your hand, the image
> of
Hi,
this whole discussion touches some deep points that I'd like to
comment on.
Basically I can make out two attitudes, or views of the project,
resulting in arguments over more minor points. I'll call these groups
the "open" and "closed" positions. I know this is a _large_
oversimplification
Hi,
this whole discussion touches some deep points that I'd like to
comment on.
Basically I can make out two attitudes, or views of the project,
resulting in arguments over more minor points. I'll call these groups
the "open" and "closed" positions. I know this is a _large_
oversimplification
On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 11:29:49PM +0200, Detlev Zundel wrote:
> The scanned ID step is a prominent example of such a "test" of
> determinedness (and nothing more) because I think everybody agrees
> that the scanned ID does _not_ improve the trace-ability of applicants
> in the case where a Debian
> "Gopal" == Gopal Narayanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Gopal> On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 03:43:12AM +1000, Anand Kumria wrote:
>> > Membership is a privilege, and if you have to take a couple of
>> > bureaucratic steps, so be it. You don't haggle with your passport
>> > office
> "Dale" == Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Dale> [...] I find the technical argument (the applicant does not
Dale> have access to scanners, etc...) to be as weak, because it
Dale> declares a lack of "connectedness" with the "technological"
Dale> society they wish to
On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 06:58:40PM +, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Matthew Vernon wrote:
> > Therefore, what does it matter that I can't remember the face of the
> > person whose key I signed six months ago? I am still happy that I saw
> > good ID, and that if I get mail signed/en
On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 07:35:40PM +, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Matthew Vernon wrote:
>
> > Dale Scheetz writes:
> >
> > > It comes down to: Can you do "normal" things that may be required by the
> > > task at hand? Scanning a passport seems to be a reasonable skill to
> >
On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 03:14:51PM -0400, Gopal Narayanan wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 03:43:12AM +1000, Anand Kumria wrote:
> > > Membership is a privilege, and if you have to take a couple of
> > > bureaucratic steps, so be it. You don't haggle with your passport
> > > office about providing
I have one applicant, and I notice that there are several more in the
database. I've already told him that Step 4 (tasks and skills) is already
satisfied as demonstrated by his Debian JP (now sponsored to Debian)
package.
What do the rest of you think about similarly clipping away step 3
(Ph
Hi,
At Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:36:48 +1000,
Drake Diedrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>What do the rest of you think about similarly clipping away step 3
> (Philosophy and Procedures)?
We, official developers in Debian JP, tell Debian's philosophy and
procedures as much as we can, but to tell the
Previously William Ono wrote:
> This point comes up over and over, and every time someone has to point
> out that alternative methods of getting the photograph digitized are
> available. Whenever this issue comes up with one of my applicants, I
> offer to accept hardcopy by snail-mail and scan it
> Previously William Ono wrote:
> > This point comes up over and over, and every time someone has to point
> > out that alternative methods of getting the photograph digitized are
> > available. Whenever this issue comes up with one of my applicants, I
> > offer to accept hardcopy by snail-mail an
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