Re: Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-02-08 Thread Stephan Foley
Hi Wouter, On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 4:28 AM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > The best way to get anything done in Debian is to do it yourself. If you > want to encourage Debian to have Fluxbox as an easy-to-select option for > a desktop install, I encourage you to talk to the tasksel maintainers > and the

Re: Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-02-08 Thread Stephan Foley
Hi Gunnar, On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > I mean, who needs a desktop? A background? Overlapping windows? We the > *real* tech-savvy people only need a tiling window manager, such as > i3: > > https://screenshots.debian.net/package/i3 > http://i3wm.org/ > > I mean,

Re: Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-02-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
[M-F-T set, as this is getting increasingly off-topic] On Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 10:16:55AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > I mean, who needs a desktop? A background? Overlapping windows? We the > *real* tech-savvy people only need a tiling window manager, such as > i3: Nah. Awesomewm is much better! ;

Re: Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-02-05 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Stephan Foley dijo [Thu, Feb 04, 2016 at 08:37:52PM -0500]: > Very true, I agree with all of your points. Going back to my original > purpose of posting this question, I wanted to do a sort of "sales > pitch" to encourage Debian to offer Fluxbox as a task in the > installer. I actually wrote up a s

Re: Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-02-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Feb 04, 2016 at 08:37:52PM -0500, Stephan Foley wrote: > Very true, I agree with all of your points. Going back to my original > purpose of posting this question, I wanted to do a sort of "sales > pitch" to encourage Debian to offer Fluxbox as a task in the > installer. I actually wrote up

Re: Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-02-04 Thread Stephan Foley
Hi Wouter and thanks for the reply. On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > It is fair to say that Debian supports: > - Non-technical desktop users who want to use one of: > - Gnome > - KDE > - Mate > - Cinnamon > - XFCE > - LXDE > - non-technical users who want to r

Re: Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-02-04 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 09:07:10PM -0500, Stephan Foley wrote: > [Yaroslav Halchenko] > >> And, I am tech-savvy :-) > > > > Why wasn't it enough to run these two commands? > > apt-get install xorg > > apt-get install fluxbox > > > > The instructions on the wiki metion only this: > > https://wiki.de

Re: Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-01-22 Thread Stephan Foley
Hi Paul and thanks for the reply. On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 9:43 PM, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > Replying with my fluxbox hat on, and perhaps Debian too. > > Well, patches to add some defaults in an external package is super > welcome :) I did put up a Fluxbox spec off of DebianDesktop: https://wik

Re: Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-01-22 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
Replying with my fluxbox hat on, and perhaps Debian too. On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 09:07:10PM -0500, Stephan Foley wrote: > > Why wasn't it enough to run these two commands? > > apt-get install xorg > > apt-get install fluxbox Yeah, Fluxbox is still not that out of the box. It's always required a l

Re: Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-01-22 Thread Stephan Foley
[Yaroslav Halchenko] >> And, I am tech-savvy :-) > > Why wasn't it enough to run these two commands? > apt-get install xorg > apt-get install fluxbox > > The instructions on the wiki metion only this: > https://wiki.debian.org/FluxBox#Installation grrr Well, first off, I had to figure o

Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-01-18 Thread Stephan Foley
Hi Yaroslav and thanks for the reply! On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Yaroslav Halchenko > in my perception it is as good characterization as > >Keyboard is for writing SPAM and FUD emails > > i.e. you can definitely use it for that purpose, but not exclusively or > might even that wouldn't

Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-01-18 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
On Fri, 15 Jan 2016, Stephan Foley wrote: > Hello, I'm trying to characterize Debian and have the following: > Debian is for the tech savvy sys admin type and the server market > Is this a good characterization or am I off base? in my perception it is as good characterization as Keybo

Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-01-18 Thread Ian Jackson
Stephan Foley writes ("Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy"): > [Andrew McGlashan] > > Yes, it is certainly limiting my view of Debian to be one that is now > > broken and definitely not what Ian Murdock envisioned many years ago. > > I haven't

Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-01-16 Thread MENGUAL Jean-Philippe
Le 17/01/2016 00:31, Stephan Foley a écrit : > On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 6:20 AM, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe > wrote: > >> The main difference between Debian and Ubuntu is that the installer is >> less friendly-user, and the firmware are not loaded by default. But I >> think Debian is really the Univer

Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-01-16 Thread Stephan Foley
On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 6:20 AM, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote: > The main difference between Debian and Ubuntu is that the installer is > less friendly-user, and the firmware are not loaded by default. But I > think Debian is really the Universal Operating System. And it's the > characterization I

Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-01-16 Thread Stephan Foley
[Teemu Likonen] > You have the old stereotype of Debian. The reality is different: the > default Debian desktop install gives you a normal easy-to-use end-user > operating system and applications. This has been the case for a long > time but many people still maintain old stereotypes. > > Of cours

Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-01-16 Thread Stephan Foley
> [Miles Fidelman] >> Used to be. These days, in the wake of systemd, at least this sys >> admin will never install it again. The reasons are technical. [Andrew McGlashan] > Yes, it is certainly limiting my view of Debian to be one that is now > broken and definitely not what Ian Murdock envisio

Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-01-16 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 17/01/2016 1:29 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > On 1/15/16 10:48 PM, Stephan Foley wrote: >> Hello, I'm trying to characterize Debian and have the following: >> >> Debian is for the tech savvy sys admin type and the server >> market >> >> Is t

Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-01-16 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 1/15/16 10:48 PM, Stephan Foley wrote: Hello, I'm trying to characterize Debian and have the following: Debian is for the tech savvy sys admin type and the server market Is this a good characterization or am I off base? Thanks Used to be. These days, in the wake of systemd, at leas

Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-01-16 Thread MENGUAL Jean-Philippe
Hello, I don't know what is this characterization for, but I don't like it very much. Indeed, it would make more difficult to explain, as I do with Hypra or free software promotion organizations, that Debian is the best solution for a universally accessible operating system (and I'm sure it is). M

Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-01-15 Thread Teemu Likonen
Stephan Foley [2016-01-15 22:48:49-05] wrote: > Hello, I'm trying to characterize Debian and have the following: > > Debian is for the tech savvy sys admin type and the server market > > Is this a good characterization or am I off base? You have the old stereotype of Debian. The reality is di

Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

2016-01-15 Thread Stephan Foley
Hello, I'm trying to characterize Debian and have the following: Debian is for the tech savvy sys admin type and the server market Is this a good characterization or am I off base? Thanks