Sam Hartman writes ("Re: What it means to be Debian"):
> [...] However, one of the things I value about our community is
> that our values ar expressed in terms of our actions, not our
> believes.
I also value in Debian _both_ that so many of the people in Debian
seem to bel
> "Bas" == Bas Wijnen writes:
Bas> The above has nothing to do with beliefs. Beliefs are about
Bas> people who believe that using non-free services is better for
Bas> some ethical reason. They will say that even if a free
Bas> alternative would be available, the non-free ser
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 08:59:51PM +0200, Bas Wijnen wrote:
> > > The above has nothing to do with beliefs. Beliefs are about people who
> > > believe
> > > that using non-free services is better for some ethical reason.
> > Do such people exist or that's a straw man?
> I'm not sure if they do.
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 08:41:57PM +0200, Dominik George wrote:
> Hi,
>
> >I find it difficult to express my disagreement with the your views,
> >and your attitude, with the respect that is due to a fellow
> >contributor. But I will try.
>
> I looked, but somehow failed to see how the peer in qu
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 10:47:09PM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 03:59:57PM +0200, Bas Wijnen wrote:
> > The above has nothing to do with beliefs. Beliefs are about people who
> > believe
> > that using non-free services is better for some ethical reason.
> Do such pe
Hi,
>I find it difficult to express my disagreement with the your views,
>and your attitude, with the respect that is due to a fellow
>contributor. But I will try.
I looked, but somehow failed to see how the peer in question is a contributor.
All there is is a demand for *our* contribution in *
Ian Jackson writes:
> Dominik George writes ("Re: What it means to be Debian"):
>> I strongly support that. I also do *not* think that everyone who uses
>> non-free services or the like should leave Debian or is neitrely bad for
>> the community.
>>
>&g
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 03:59:57PM +0200, Bas Wijnen wrote:
> The above has nothing to do with beliefs. Beliefs are about people who
> believe
> that using non-free services is better for some ethical reason.
Do such people exist or that's a straw man?
> So I agree with the illness statement (al
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 08:03:08PM +, Sam Hartman wrote:
> no where in the social contract do we commit to using only free
> tools for our work.
> [...]
> I choose to do none of those things, but will vigorously defend others'
> right to do so.
There seems to be a misunderstanding here. AFAIC
> "Zlatan" == Zlatan Todoric writes:
Zlatan> On the other hand - I do believe that Debian contributors
Zlatan> should uphold Social Contract and DFSG as much as possible
Zlatan> because if we don't push it forward and believe in it, then
Zlatan> no one else will.
I agree with
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 08:45:15PM +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote:
> > Debian isn't advertised as a distribution whose main goal is to
> > provide 100% free something while not providing anything non-free,
> > I think there are other projects with such advertising. So I think
> > that such strong meta
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 06:24:09PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > > Mostly, I *personally* do not find those people authentic enough to
> > > uphold any such community standard. It's somewhat like donating to a
> > > species conservation organisation, taking the money from a purse made of
> > > cr
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On 06/16/2015 03:27 PM, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> Debian isn't advertised as a distribution whose main goal is to
> provide 100% free something while not providing anything non-free,
> I think there are other projects with such advertising. So I
Dominik George writes ("Re: What it means to be Debian"):
> I strongly support that. I also do *not* think that everyone who uses
> non-free services or the like should leave Debian or is neitrely bad for
> the community.
>
> Mostly, I *personally* do not find those p
On Tue, 2015-06-16 at 18:27 +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 02:46:45PM +0200, Dominik George wrote:
> > Mostly, I *personally* do not find those people authentic enough to
> > uphold any such community standard. It's somewhat like donating to a
> > species conservation or
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 02:46:45PM +0200, Dominik George wrote:
> Mostly, I *personally* do not find those people authentic enough to
> uphold any such community standard. It's somewhat like donating to a
> species conservation organisation, taking the money from a purse made of
> crocodile skin. I
> "Dominik" == Dominik George writes:
Dominik> b) BELIEF =
Dominik> If any Debian contributor BELIEVES that the use of Google,
Dominik> and the like, is a good thing, then the illness lies in the
Dominik> divergence between their contribution and their values, and
Hi,
> This issue is important enough to me that I'd like to take a moment to
> share mine. I'm not trying to pursuade you. I really appreciate how you
> presented your position; you didn't try to say I was wrong, and you were
> honest and open even when there is disagreement.
> I am not judging y
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