Re: Strawpoll on proper usage of @debian.org email address

2004-01-26 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 01:43:45PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > > Like I said, they're random, but if they're audacious enough to send me > > up to 2 MB of images (yes, I've had it happen -- had I not, I wouldn't > > believe someone would ever do that), I don't see why they would somehow > > show the

Re: Strawpoll on proper usage of @debian.org email address

2004-01-26 Thread Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader
* John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-01-25 15:10]: > I don't think this really makes sense. For instance, in the poll, 76% > of the people opposed use as a general purpose address, but 92% > supported putting it on one's personal homepage. I'm really curious > what those people were thinking,

Re: Strawpoll on proper usage of @debian.org email address

2004-01-26 Thread Joey Hess
Josip Rodin wrote: > Like I said, they're random, but if they're audacious enough to send me up > to 2 MB of images (yes, I've had it happen -- had I not, I wouldn't believe > someone would ever do that), I don't see why they would somehow show the > courtesy of not spamming addresses used in whois

Re: Strawpoll on proper usage of @debian.org email address

2004-01-26 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 09:46:39AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > > > We are not talking here about people making excessive use of resources > > > (which is already covered under the DMUP if memory serves). For > > > instance, using a debian.org address as a contact on a domain probably > > > genera

Re: Strawpoll on proper usage of @debian.org email address

2004-01-26 Thread Michael Banck
On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 03:00:23PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: > On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 10:55:30AM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: > > > I further caution that it is dangerous to draw conclusions on the > > > feelings of the project based on the unauthenticated responses of only > > > a small minority o

Re: Strawpoll on proper usage of @debian.org email address

2004-01-26 Thread John Goerzen
On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 10:55:30AM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: > On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 03:10:06PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > > I further caution that it is dangerous to draw conclusions on the > > feelings of the project based on the unauthenticated responses of only > > a small minority of dev

Re: Strawpoll on proper usage of @debian.org email address

2004-01-26 Thread John Goerzen
On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 03:02:04PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: > On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 03:10:06PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > > We are not talking here about people making excessive use of resources > > (which is already covered under the DMUP if memory serves). For > > instance, using a debian.o

Re: Strawpoll on proper usage of @debian.org email address

2004-01-26 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 03:10:06PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > We are not talking here about people making excessive use of resources > (which is already covered under the DMUP if memory serves). For > instance, using a debian.org address as a contact on a domain probably > generates, at most, 30

Re: Strawpoll on proper usage of @debian.org email address

2004-01-26 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 10:55:30AM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: > > I further caution that it is dangerous to draw conclusions on the > > feelings of the project based on the unauthenticated responses of only > > a small minority of developers. > > More than 10% responded. AFAIK, that's way more

Re: Strawpoll on proper usage of @debian.org email address

2004-01-26 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 11:08:12AM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Andrew Suffield wrote: > >On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 03:10:06PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > (...) > >>I don't think this really makes sense. For instance, in the poll, 76% > >>of the people opposed use as a general purpose address,

Re: Strawpoll on proper usage of @debian.org email address

2004-01-26 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
[posting again to the proper list. Sorry...] Andrew Suffield wrote: On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 03:10:06PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: (...) I don't think this really makes sense. For instance, in the poll, 76% of the people opposed use as a general purpose address, but 92% supported putting it on

Re: Strawpoll on proper usage of @debian.org email address

2004-01-26 Thread Michael Banck
On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 03:10:06PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > I further caution that it is dangerous to draw conclusions on the > feelings of the project based on the unauthenticated responses of only > a small minority of developers. More than 10% responded. AFAIK, that's way more than in any

Re: Strawpoll on proper usage of @debian.org email address

2004-01-26 Thread Michael Banck
On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 11:34:27PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Benj. Mako Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.01.25.2314 +0100]: > > Thanks Michael for your hard work in putting this together; it clearly > > took a good deal of time. I agree with Martin, adding this to the > > developers

Re: Strawpoll on proper usage of @debian.org email address

2004-01-25 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 03:10:06PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 08:13:23PM +, Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project > Leader wrote: > > * Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-01-23 10:47]: > > > 3.) Would it suffice to document the (presumable) opinion of the > > > proje

Re: Strawpoll on proper usage of @debian.org email address

2004-01-25 Thread John Goerzen
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 08:13:23PM +, Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader wrote: > * Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-01-23 10:47]: > > 3.) Would it suffice to document the (presumable) opinion of the > > project in the Debian Developer's Reference as 'best practice'? > > Document

Re: Strawpoll on proper usage of @debian.org email address

2004-01-25 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-01-25 23:34]: > > Thanks Michael for your hard work in putting this together; it clearly > > took a good deal of time. I agree with Martin, adding this to the > > developers reference sounds like a good way to start. > > sorry, haven't followed. are the

Re: Strawpoll on proper usage of @debian.org email address

2004-01-25 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Benj. Mako Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.01.25.2314 +0100]: > Thanks Michael for your hard work in putting this together; it clearly > took a good deal of time. I agree with Martin, adding this to the > developers reference sounds like a good way to start. sorry, haven't followed. are

Re: Strawpoll on proper usage of @debian.org email address

2004-01-25 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 10:47:10AM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: > On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 06:19:55PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: > > Could everbody interested please fill out that small query below and > > send the answers to me? > > Thanks a lot to everybody who participated. I recieved around a h

Re: Strawpoll on proper usage of @debian.org email address

2004-01-24 Thread Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader
* Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-01-23 10:47]: > 3.) Would it suffice to document the (presumable) opinion of the > project in the Debian Developer's Reference as 'best practice'? Documenting this in the Developer's Reference is certainly a good idea. This way, new and old developers wou

Re: Strawpoll on proper usage of @debian.org email address

2004-01-23 Thread Michael Banck
Hello again, On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 06:19:55PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: > Could everbody interested please fill out that small query below and > send the answers to me? Thanks a lot to everybody who participated. I recieved around a hundred submission, which is a significant part of the Debia

Re: Strawpoll on proper usage of @debian.org email address

2004-01-10 Thread Janne Blomqvist
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 06:19:55PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: > Hi everybody, Hello, not to rain on your parade or anything, just a few suggestions. Many people have probably already answered to this poll, so it's certainly not sensible to change it anymore, but just in case you want to make ano

Re: Strawpoll on proper usage of @debian.org email address

2004-01-09 Thread Clint Adams
> My experience is that it's very easy to not notice that the BTS is > infinitly deferring your BTS mails, unless you keep a very close > eye on your outgoing mail queue and bounces folder. It could easily be > happining to others besides me. Have you tried it with "set envelope_from=yes" in mutt?

Re: Strawpoll on proper usage of @debian.org email address

2004-01-09 Thread Joey Hess
Josip Rodin wrote: > Err, your description is way too overgeneralized; other people post as @d.o > to the BTS without any problems[1]. I suggest you have -admin diagnose the > exact problem at hand, and fix that. I have posted specific descriptions of the problem to debian-devel and debian-admin w

Re: Strawpoll on proper usage of @debian.org email address

2004-01-09 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 01:08:26AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > Hmm, I've replied to the survey, but note that some of us cannot use our > @debian.org email addresses for simple, 100% ok things like responding > to bug reports, because the machine running the BTS has broken reveived > header checks, a

Re: Strawpoll on proper usage of @debian.org email address

2004-01-09 Thread Joey Hess
Hmm, I've replied to the survey, but note that some of us cannot use our @debian.org email addresses for simple, 100% ok things like responding to bug reports, because the machine running the BTS has broken reveived header checks, and rejects mails that appear to be "forged" as from @debian.org. Th

Re: Strawpoll on proper usage of @debian.org email address

2004-01-08 Thread Michael Banck
[answering on -project, as you said public quotation was alright] Hi, On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 06:58:59PM +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: > I think it does not make any sense at all to talk about abuse of > @debian.org email addresses when they are continuously and massively > abused by spam, we have

Re: Strawpoll on proper usage of @debian.org email address

2004-01-08 Thread Michael Banck
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 07:58:11PM +0100, Julien BLACHE wrote: > Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2. Using @d.o for dealing with FLOSS with a loose debian-relationship > > (e.g. reporting a bug/patch in the upstream bug tracker of an unrelated > > package, posting on mailing lists of pr

Re: Strawpoll on proper usage of @debian.org email address

2004-01-08 Thread Julien BLACHE
Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, > 2. Using @d.o for dealing with FLOSS with a loose debian-relationship > (e.g. reporting a bug/patch in the upstream bug tracker of an unrelated > package, posting on mailing lists of projects without being the Debian > maintainer etc.) > > Alr

Strawpoll on proper usage of @debian.org email address

2004-01-08 Thread Michael Banck
Hi everybody, There seems to be some confusion about what one should do or not do with his @debian.org email address. Therefore, I'd like to get some input on what people think should be right thing to do, the results could then be used to improve/update the DMUP. I talked about this with our DPL