Re: Security guidelines for Debian people

2011-11-27 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > Anyone up to summarizing what has been mentioned in this thread? > I understand there is some opposition to the notion of guidelines at > all, but having some would be useful to some people apparently, ... and > others are not forced to

Re: Security guidelines for Debian people

2011-11-08 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, Am Sonntag, den 30.10.2011, 17:33 + schrieb Lars Wirzenius: > * Store your master PGP keys on at least two USB thumb drives. > - use full-disk encryption on the drives > - don't use them for anything else given that PGP already protects keys with passphrases, what is the benefit of ad

Re: Security guidelines for Debian people

2011-11-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh writes: > One thing we have not talked about, is that of subkey validity. It is > not that kosher to have anything signed in stable with a subkey which > will not be valid for the lifetime of stable, so we should keep that in > mind. I currently use a one year expira

Re: Security guidelines for Debian people

2011-11-06 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 01:44:08PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > ]] Lars Wirzenius > > | Assuming we're talking about each developer's personal key: what > | things would they be signing that matter? Package upload signatures > | are relevant only until the upload gets accepted into the archive

Re: Security guidelines for Debian people

2011-11-06 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Lars Wirzenius | Assuming we're talking about each developer's personal key: what | things would they be signing that matter? Package upload signatures | are relevant only until the upload gets accepted into the archive, and | after that it's the archive signing key that matters. Source packa

Re: Security guidelines for Debian people

2011-11-06 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 11:52:02AM +0100, Milan Zamazal wrote: > I also agree that having a best practice document is useful. > > Here are some suggestions for clarification: > > - The wiki page says: Meta-discussion note: the wiki page referred to is http://wiki.debian.org/subkeys -- and all th

Re: Security guidelines for Debian people

2011-11-06 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 06 Nov 2011, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > On Thu, Nov 03, 2011 at 03:44:36PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > One thing we have not talked about, is that of subkey validity. It is > > not that kosher to have anything signed in stable with a subkey which > > will not be valid for th

Re: Security guidelines for Debian people

2011-11-06 Thread Milan Zamazal
I also agree that having a best practice document is useful. Here are some suggestions for clarification: - The wiki page says: "Worse, if anyone else gets access to your private master key, they can make everyone believe they're you: they can upload packages in your name, vote in your name,

Re: Security guidelines for Debian people

2011-11-06 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, Nov 03, 2011 at 05:38:51PM +0100, Jakub Wilk wrote: > This seems to suggest that having multiple copies of the PGP key > somehow improves security. However, at least for some attack > scenarios, it's quite the opposite. I'm sorry if I was too terse. The point of a backup copy of your maste

Re: Security guidelines for Debian people

2011-11-06 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, Nov 03, 2011 at 03:44:36PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > One thing we have not talked about, is that of subkey validity. It is > not that kosher to have anything signed in stable with a subkey which > will not be valid for the lifetime of stable, so we should keep that in > m

Re: Security guidelines for Debian people

2011-11-05 Thread Andreas Tille
On Sat, Nov 05, 2011 at 11:51:33AM +0100, Andreas Schuldei wrote: > > This thread reminds me of a Dutch management book entitled "Managing > > Professionals? Don't do it!"[1]. > > > i agree, rules like that become silly, quickly. but if someone > explains good "best practice" to me and motivates w

Re: Security guidelines for Debian people

2011-11-05 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 05 Nov 2011, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > This thread reminds me of a Dutch management book entitled "Managing > Professionals? Don't do it!"[1]. Being an engineer, I can tell you that publishing guidelines and the rationale behind them _is_ necessary even when the audience is competent techni

Re: Security guidelines for Debian people

2011-11-05 Thread Andreas Schuldei
* Thijs Kinkhorst (th...@debian.org) [05 08:57]: > On Thu, November 3, 2011 18:44, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > On Thu, 03 Nov 2011, Jakub Wilk wrote: > >> * Lars Wirzenius , 2011-10-30, 17:33: > >> >>Personally, I think some guidelines for DD's about securing > >> >>their personal ma

Re: Security guidelines for Debian people

2011-11-05 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Thu, November 3, 2011 18:44, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Thu, 03 Nov 2011, Jakub Wilk wrote: >> * Lars Wirzenius , 2011-10-30, 17:33: >> >>Personally, I think some guidelines for DD's about securing >> >>their personal machines where their private keys are located >> >>would be a goo

Re: Security guidelines for Debian people

2011-11-03 Thread Kumar Appaiah
On Thu, Nov 03, 2011 at 03:44:36PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Thu, 03 Nov 2011, Jakub Wilk wrote: > > This seems to suggest that having multiple copies of the PGP key > > Multiple *offline* copies, in an encrypted container. > > > somehow improves security. However, at least f

Re: Security guidelines for Debian people

2011-11-03 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 03 Nov 2011, Jakub Wilk wrote: > * Lars Wirzenius , 2011-10-30, 17:33: > >>Personally, I think some guidelines for DD's about securing > >>their personal machines where their private keys are located > >>would be a good idea. It would be a lot better than just having > >>a vague and ineffab

Re: Security guidelines for Debian people

2011-11-03 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Lars Wirzenius , 2011-10-30, 17:33: Personally, I think some guidelines for DD's about securing their personal machines where their private keys are located would be a good idea. It would be a lot better than just having a vague and ineffable thing called "trust". I agree. I offer the follo

Security guidelines for Debian people

2011-10-30 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On a mailing list far far away, someone wrote: > Personally, I think some guidelines for DD's about securing their > personal machines where their private keys are located would be a good > idea. It would be a lot better than just having a vague and ineffable > thing called "trust". I agree. I off