On Sun, Jan 06, 2013 at 06:26:26PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> Dear all, after having postponed this for way too long, here is the
> second, hopefully final, iteration of the trademark policy draft. I've
> discussed with SPI lawyers at SFLC all the comments collected during the
> past discus
On Mon, Jan 07, 2013 at 09:39:20PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Thanks a lot, Stefano, for this change. I think that it will strenghen our
> position when asking to relax license clauses restricting commercial use for
> some software we distribute or would like to distibute.
Thanks for your fee
Le Sun, Jan 06, 2013 at 06:26:26PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
>
> 5) demote the obligation that, when using the trademarks for commercial
>purposes, one should advertise how much of the price will be donated
>to the Debian Project. It is now a recommendation only
Thanks a lot, St
Michael Gilbert writes ("Re: trademark policy draft"):
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote:
> > The benefit is that we have a legal tool against someone doing something
> > nasty with our name. Which is nice to have, but doesn't come for free
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote:
> The benefit is that we have a legal tool against someone doing something
> nasty with our name. Which is nice to have, but doesn't come for free.
> It's hard to quantify as well: the benefit is for a future situation of
> which we do not kn
On Tue, August 14, 2012 16:51, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> I agree with this. In dealing with lawyers on behalf of Debian, I've
> quickly learned that there are almost never "100% safe" or "100% risky"
> positions. It is *always* a cost/benefit/risk analysis. You ask the
> experts to evaluate the r
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 03:30:16PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > Down to the specificities of Debian procedures, I consider my duty
> > to take care of Debian assets, including trademarks. I would not
> > take the responsibility of acting in a way that --- according to our
> > legal advisors ---
Hi Stefano,
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 08:07:02PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 06, 2012 at 03:25:55PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > Thijs Kinkhorst writes ("Re: trademark policy draft"):
> > > On Wed, August 1, 2012 18:54, Russ Allbery wrote:
> >
On Sun, Aug 05, 2012 at 11:08:04PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote:
> first of all, thanks for working on this issue, especially taking into
> account that the outcome could be a hopefully acceptable trademark
> policy and a DFSG-free Open Use Logo "with Debian", as you mentioned in
> your latest "bit
On Mon, Aug 06, 2012 at 03:25:55PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Thijs Kinkhorst writes ("Re: trademark policy draft"):
> > On Wed, August 1, 2012 18:54, Russ Allbery wrote:
> > > We can choose to abandon our trademark and make it indefensible, but we
> > > shoul
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:
> Philip Hands writes:
>
>> Francesco Poli writes:
>>
>> ...
>>> [...]
\item You cannot alter the DEBIAN trademarks in any way.
>>> [...]
\item Any scaling must retain the original proportions of the logo.
\item Logo sh
Philip Hands writes:
> Francesco Poli writes:
>
> ...
>> [...]
>>> \item You cannot alter the DEBIAN trademarks in any way.
>> [...]
>>> \item Any scaling must retain the original proportions of the logo.
>>>
>>> \item Logo should only use ``official'' logo colors.
>> [...]
>>
>> These restricti
Thijs Kinkhorst writes ("Re: trademark policy draft"):
> On Wed, August 1, 2012 18:54, Russ Allbery wrote:
> > We can choose to abandon our trademark and make it indefensible, but we
> > should do that intentionally and not under an illusion that we're just
> >
On Wed, August 1, 2012 18:54, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Lars Wirzenius writes:
>
>> I'll leave the discussion with this counter suggestion: change the
>> trademark policy to say:
>
>> We call ourselves the Debian project. You can use our name as long
>> as it doesn't make reasonable people con
On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 10:46:34 +0100 Philip Hands wrote:
> Francesco Poli writes:
>
> ...
> > [...]
> >> \item You cannot alter the DEBIAN trademarks in any way.
> > [...]
> >> \item Any scaling must retain the original proportions of the logo.
> >>
> >> \item Logo should only use ``official'' log
Francesco Poli writes:
...
> [...]
>> \item You cannot alter the DEBIAN trademarks in any way.
> [...]
>> \item Any scaling must retain the original proportions of the logo.
>>
>> \item Logo should only use ``official'' logo colors.
> [...]
>
> These restrictions are currently violated by countle
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:07:17 +0200 Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> If you've ever stumbled upon http://www.debian.org/trademark , you might
> be aware that, as a project, we've been working on a proper trademark
> policy since quite a while.
>
> I'm happy to attach a first complete draft of such a po
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> Actually, I've realize only later an important overlook in my first
> follow-up to this. This provision is positive, in the "you can use our
> trademarks to ..." form. As such, it is just a public declaration that
> we are with that kind of use. It does *not* follow from
Le Thu, Aug 02, 2012 at 08:38:09AM +0100, Philip Hands a écrit :
>
> The trouble with trying to nail that definition down is that there are
> people who are foolish enough to buy domains of the form:
>
> debian.uk.com
In that case, I think that the problem is rather that the
uk-dot-com-regist
Luca BRUNO writes:
> Stefano Zacchiroli scrisse:
>
>> > > \item You cannot use DEBIAN trademarks in a domain name, with or
>> > > without commercial intent.
>> > So debian.mirror.my.org is illegal?
>>
>> I've been correct by Mako on this before. Short answer: hostname !=
>> domain name, so "debi
Stefano Zacchiroli scrisse:
> > > \item You cannot use DEBIAN trademarks in a domain name, with or
> > > without commercial intent.
> > So debian.mirror.my.org is illegal?
>
> I've been correct by Mako on this before. Short answer: hostname !=
> domain name, so "debian.mirror.my.org" is perfectly
On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 10:41:31AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> > \item You can use DEBIAN trademarks to make true factual statements about
> > DEBIAN or communicate compatibility with your product truthfully.
> Can I use DEBIAN trademarks to make snarky ill-supported sta
Lars Wirzenius writes:
> I'll leave the discussion with this counter suggestion: change the
> trademark policy to say:
> We call ourselves the Debian project. You can use our name as long
> as it doesn't make reasonable people confuse you or your stuff with
> us or our stuff, or impl
On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 05:10:41PM +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 05:50:56PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> > (Fearing an increase in nitpicking threshold.) Well, you can, people
> > will, and I'm sure nobody will bother, on average. But I can imagine all
> > sorts of "j
On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 05:50:56PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> (Fearing an increase in nitpicking threshold.) Well, you can, people
> will, and I'm sure nobody will bother, on average. But I can imagine all
> sorts of "journalistic" declarations about Debian that would undermine
> the projec
On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 10:41:31AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> > \item You can use DEBIAN trademarks to make true factual statements about
> > DEBIAN or communicate compatibility with your product truthfully.
>
> Can I use DEBIAN trademarks to make snarky ill-supported
On 08/01/2012 11:41 AM, Joey Hess wrote:
> Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
>> \item You cannot use DEBIAN trademarks in a domain name, with or without
>> commercial intent.
>
> So debian.mirror.my.org is illegal?
Hmm, 'debian' is the default live hostname. That's a lot of potential
infringements ...
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> \item You can use DEBIAN trademarks to make true factual statements about
> DEBIAN or communicate compatibility with your product truthfully.
Can I use DEBIAN trademarks to make snarky ill-supported statements?
(Anticipating a decrease in list traffic.)
> \item You
* Stefano Zacchiroli [2012-07-31 18:07]:
> \subsection{When to Use the DEBIAN Trademarks}
I'd change this to "When You Can Use the DEBIAN Trademarks" or "When
You Can Use the DEBIAN Trademarks Without Permission".
> \item You can make t-shirts, desktop wallpapers, caps, or other merchandise
> w
On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 07:10:51AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> I think that we should show the example and remove restrictions on the
> commercial use of our trademark. We can of course, in a non-normative
> section, keep a recommendation to indicate if a donation will be made
> to Debian.
Tha
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 01:37:06PM -0600, Paul Wise wrote:
> > I'm happy to attach a first complete draft of such a policy, and I'm
> > looking for comment on it.
>
> Some of the things that are explicitly allowed by the policy are
> things that AFAIK are not restricted by trademark law, is the pu
Le Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 06:07:17PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
>
> - there is a potential exception to the "as free as possible" principle,
> though, in the following provision:
>
> You can also make merchandise with DEBIAN trademarks for commercial
> usage provided that, in add
Gaudenz Steinlin writes:
> Stefano Zacchiroli writes:
>> \item Any scaling must retain the original proportions of the logo.
>> \item Logo should only use ``official'' logo colors.
> What's the reason for this?
It's standard legal advise for trademarks, at least in the US. If you
don't requir
Stefano Zacchiroli writes:
> \subsection{Guidelines for Using Logos}
>
> \begin{itemize}
>
> \item Any scaling must retain the original proportions of the logo.
>
> \item Logo should only use ``official'' logo colors.
What's the reason for this? While the policy as I understand it is not
binding
[Paul Wise]
> Does the domain name restriction mean that sites like these will have
> to rename themselves?
>
> http://www.debian-administration.org/
> http://www.debian-news.net/
The way I read it, it's not that sites like these will be forced to
rename themselves, but that they will be forced
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> I'm happy to attach a first complete draft of such a policy, and I'm
> looking for comment on it.
Some of the things that are explicitly allowed by the policy are
things that AFAIK are not restricted by trademark law, is the purpose
of
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