Re: ideas regarding a conflict management strategy

2008-01-16 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jan 16, 2008 at 12:08:37PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > > I had reasons why I dont fill the pipe with E-Mails that contain 20 > > pages long efforts if the expectation is pretty hostile feedback. > As you can see, posting generalities didn't really fare much better. Right - 20 pages of an

Re: ideas regarding a conflict management strategy

2008-01-16 Thread Russ Allbery
"Lars Versen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > You are correct that my first E-Mail was very much simplified and > non-scientifical. I can only describe observations and personal opinion, > because I am not a scientist. And I am aware of the fact that a certain > type of personality has more problems

Re: ideas regarding a conflict management strategy

2008-01-15 Thread Russ Allbery
"Lars Versen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > First of all, the content of my E-Mail - my personal opinion - is not > addressed at all. Instead, the person behind the E-Mail is addressed in > such a way, that it causes bad reputation without any obvious reason. The content of your message was not,

Re: ideas regarding a conflict management strategy

2008-01-15 Thread Tapio Lehtonen
On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 12:57:35PM +0100, Lars Versen wrote: > The problem I have with this feedback is, that you might scare those > people away from participating, who actually understand what I was > writing in my E-Mail, because they dont want to become your target. I did not understand what

Re: ideas regarding a conflict management strategy

2008-01-15 Thread MJ Ray
"Lars Versen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The problem I have with this feedback is, that you might scare those > people away from participating, who actually understand what I was > writing in my E-Mail, because they dont want to become your target. I don't want to scare anyone, so I'll link to t

Re: ideas regarding a conflict management strategy

2008-01-15 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
"Lars Versen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The problem I have with this feedback is, that you might scare those > people away from participating, who actually understand what I was > writing in my E-Mail, because they dont want to become your target. I'm not scared by them. I understood your mai

Re: ideas regarding a conflict management strategy

2008-01-15 Thread Lars Versen
Steve Langasek, MJ Ray, there is much easier ways to tell me, that you are not interested in this topic. I am sure you both have your reasons to choose this way of communicating that to me. The problem I have with this feedback is, that you might scare those people away from participating, w

Re: ideas regarding a conflict management strategy

2008-01-15 Thread MJ Ray
"Lars Versen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What are your comments, questions or ideas, please? Oxygen is good. Competition is bad. I like Jello. -- MJR/slef -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: ideas regarding a conflict management strategy

2008-01-14 Thread Steve Langasek
Dear Patrick, On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 03:52:22AM +0100, Lars Versen wrote: > In case you get the feeling anyways, that I am aiming to cause trouble, > then please choose a private form to express that. Send me an E-Mail. But > please dont use my piece of work here to run defacements or to do flam

Re: ideas....

2007-04-14 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 08:43:09PM +0100, John Watson wrote: > Some fantastic ideas > > > First of all I would like to say how great Debian is as a operating system > and a linux distro. I have tried many distribution but always come back to > Debian. What I find wrong with these so called distr

Re: ideas....

2007-04-08 Thread Philippe Cloutier
2)One real issue with Debian is a lack of admin tools, (such as yast is for SuSE). Considering starting a project to develop a range of gui based admin tools for Debian. What are folks view on this and is there any other similar projects? Yes, there is for example kcontrol. It may not be a

Re: ideas....

2007-04-08 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Friday 06 April 2007 21.43:09 John Watson wrote: > I would suggest having two releases of Debian, one "really stable" which > could be released every 2 years, another one "stable" released every 6 > months by taking a freeze of the current "testing" distro and spending a > month (no more) fixin

Re: ideas....

2007-04-08 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 02:55:19AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 08:55:25 +0200, Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > On Sat, Apr 07, 2007 at 11:41:43PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Being paid based on popularity do

Re: ideas....

2007-04-08 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 08:55:25 +0200, Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Sat, Apr 07, 2007 at 11:41:43PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Being paid based on popularity does not alter the fact that some >> subset of people are being paid, and others are not, for what

Re: ideas....

2007-04-08 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On Sunday 08 April 2007, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Sat, Apr 07, 2007 at 11:41:43PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Being paid based on popularity does not alter the fact that > > some subset of people are being paid, and others are not, for what > > could be equivalent

Re: ideas....

2007-04-08 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sat, Apr 07, 2007 at 11:41:43PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Being paid based on popularity does not alter the fact that some > subset of people are being paid, and others are not, for what could be > equivalent amounts of work done. Such an imbalance would ma

Re: ideas....

2007-04-07 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:32:13 +0100, John Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> >> >> >> No flame please. :) >> >> I have not commented in detail on your ideas about how to use money >> in the project, because I'm just a volunteer interested in showing >> off how smart I am :) and unfortunately a

Re: ideas....

2007-04-07 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:34:23 +0100, John Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I agree with you to a limited extent, for example if you open yast it > will overwrite the current settings with out warning, its complete > bloatware and does not work nearly half the time. Again it would be > nice to ha

Re: ideas....

2007-04-07 Thread John Watson
No flame please. :) I have not commented in detail on your ideas about how to use money in the project, because I'm just a volunteer interested in showing off how smart I am :) and unfortunately also revealing how much I still can learn. Note that the Debian project is very volunteer-driven,

Re: ideas....

2007-04-07 Thread John Watson
On 07/04/07, Bernd Zeimetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Heya, > > 2)One real issue with Debian is a lack of admin tools, (such as yast > is for > SuSE). Considering starting a project to develop a range of gui based > admin > tools for Debian. One of the reasons why I am using Debian is that there

Re: ideas....

2007-04-07 Thread John Watson
On 07/04/07, MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 3) [...] If I donate a million pounds to the Debian cause, what > happens to this investment? Money decisions have mostly been left to the projec A 10-million dollar donation question was posed in the recent project leader debates. See arou

Re: ideas....

2007-04-07 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Heya, > > 2)One real issue with Debian is a lack of admin tools, (such as yast > is for > SuSE). Considering starting a project to develop a range of gui based > admin > tools for Debian. One of the reasons why I am using Debian is that there is no yast. Tools like yast too often try to know more t

Re: ideas....

2007-04-07 Thread MJ Ray
"John Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2)One real issue with Debian is a lack of admin tools, (such as yast is for > SuSE). Considering starting a project to develop a range of gui based admin > tools for Debian. I think debconf is slowly growing more GUI. If one uses a gnome-apt and selects

Re: ideas....

2007-04-07 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Apr 07, 2007 at 12:18:49PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote: > Hi John, > > On Fri, 2007-04-06 at 20:43 +0100, John Watson wrote: > > 1) I just find that releases are being delayed due to the obsession > > with security. > > I prefer the Debian project to continue to focus on quality and securi

Re: ideas....

2007-04-07 Thread Bart Martens
Hi John, On Fri, 2007-04-06 at 20:43 +0100, John Watson wrote: > 1) I just find that releases are being delayed due to the obsession > with security. I prefer the Debian project to continue to focus on quality and security to keep this wonderful volunteer-run GNU/Linux distribution suitable for

Re: ideas....

2007-04-06 Thread Kevin Mark
(note: These are my own comments and not that of Debian) On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 08:43:09PM +0100, John Watson wrote: > Some fantastic ideas > > > First of all I would like to say how great Debian is as a operating system and > a linux distro. I have tried many distribution but always come back