* Lucas Nussbaum (lea...@debian.org) [140104 16:30]:
> On 04/01/14 at 14:04 +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
> See https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2013/12/msg00049.html
thanks.
> > (Actually I think we should have our delegations so that if the
> > current delegates add someone new, inform the
Hi,
On 04/01/14 at 14:04 +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
> Hi Lucas,
>
> * Martin Zobel-Helas (zo...@debian.org) [131202 22:11]:
> > Hi Lucas,
> >
> > I am pleased to announce that DSA has promoted Héctor Orón Martínez to a
> > full member of the team.
> >
> > Please update the delegation for the D
Hi Lucas,
* Martin Zobel-Helas (zo...@debian.org) [131202 22:11]:
> Hi Lucas,
>
> I am pleased to announce that DSA has promoted Héctor Orón Martínez to a
> full member of the team.
>
> Please update the delegation for the Debian System Administrators
> accordingly.
Did I miss the conclusion on
On Wed, Dec 04, 2013 at 06:32:19PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> It absolutely should. The constitution stipulates that authority flows from
> the developers, through the DPL, to the delegated teams. To say that the
> DPL delegation is nothing than a rubber stamp is to say that the team does
> n
Hi Martin,
On 05/12/13 at 23:03 +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
>
> Hi Lucas,
>
> > Hi Lucas,
> >
> > I am pleased to announce that DSA has promoted Héctor Orón Martínez to a
> > full member of the team.
>
> I think that this mail must have been misinterpreted. It was not meant
> to be a dem
Hi Lucas,
> Hi Lucas,
>
> I am pleased to announce that DSA has promoted Héctor Orón Martínez to a
> full member of the team.
I think that this mail must have been misinterpreted. It was not meant
to be a demand. I was happy to share that we had recruited zumbi. He's
been working with us in
Hello,
2013/12/5 Lucas Nussbaum :
> At this point, I don't see any reason why I wouldn't eventually delegate
> Hector, in an update of the DSA delegation.
> At this point, I have no reason to believe that it's controversial.
Thanks for making this point clear!
2013/12/4 Tollef Fog Heen :
> ]
On Thu, Dec 05, 2013 at 03:53:42PM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote:
> * Steve Langasek [2013-12-05 03:32:19 CET]:
> > In most cases, well-functioning teams will make non-controversial
> > nominations, and the DPL will accept them without question. But that's
> > *not* the same thing as the delegation
On 05/12/13 at 14:26 +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Lucas Nussbaum writes ("Re: Please update the DSA delegation"):
> > On 05/12/13 at 09:35 +0100, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote:
> > > Perhaps it would make sense to first more clearly define problems we want
> > > to so
Gerfried Fuchs writes ("Re: Please update the DSA delegation"):
> Steve Langasek [2013-12-05 03:32:19 CET]:
> > In most cases, well-functioning teams will make non-controversial
> > nominations, and the DPL will accept them without question. But that's
> > *n
Tollef Fog Heen writes ("Re: Please update the DSA delegation"):
> I would prefer if we could just self-manage and not have even more
> process around routine changes. Debian generally has more than its
> share of process already and we should not actively work towards adding
&
* Steve Langasek [2013-12-05 03:32:19 CET]:
> In most cases, well-functioning teams will make non-controversial
> nominations, and the DPL will accept them without question. But that's
> *not* the same thing as the delegation being a "rubber stamp".
Maybe I get you wrong - and maybe you got Luc
Martin Zobel-Helas writes ("Re: Please update the DSA delegation"):
> On Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 17:45:22 +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> > 3) I was a bit surprised to see Martin's announcement that Hector
> > was now a member of DSA, and his request to update th
Lucas Nussbaum writes ("Re: Please update the DSA delegation"):
> On 05/12/13 at 09:35 +0100, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote:
> > Perhaps it would make sense to first more clearly define problems we want
> > to solve with the whole delegation process, [...]
...
> T
On Thu, Dec 05, 2013 at 01:35:38AM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> But the main point here is that the team should normally be able to
> manage its membership directly.
I couldn't disagree more.
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On 05/12/13 at 13:46 +0100, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote:
> On Thu, December 5, 2013 11:46, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> > This was discussed in
> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2013/05/msg00018.html.
> > Main points are:
> > * it facilitates the monitoring of the team manpower, which helps
> > ta
On Thu, December 5, 2013 11:46, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> This was discussed in
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2013/05/msg00018.html.
> Main points are:
> * it facilitates the monitoring of the team manpower, which helps
> taking proactive actions before things get too difficult.
> * it
Hi,
On Thu Dec 05, 2013 at 11:45:22 +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> On 05/12/13 at 10:53 +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 17:45:22 +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> > > 3) I was a bit surprised to see Martin's announcement that Hector
> > > was now a member of
On 05/12/13 at 10:53 +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 17:45:22 +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> > 3) I was a bit surprised to see Martin's announcement that Hector
> > was now a member of DSA, and his request to update the DSA delegation.
>
> I don't understand tha
On 05/12/13 at 09:35 +0100, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote:
> On Thu, December 5, 2013 02:15, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > I would go further and say that I think it would be better to do
> > things differently. For a team which is functioning well, it would be
> > helpful if the DPL delegated to the team the au
Hi,
On Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 17:45:22 +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> 3) I was a bit surprised to see Martin's announcement that Hector
> was now a member of DSA, and his request to update the DSA delegation.
I don't understand that. Hector has been doing a good amount of work as
part of the DSA te
On Thu, December 5, 2013 02:15, Ian Jackson wrote:
> I would go further and say that I think it would be better to do
> things differently. For a team which is functioning well, it would be
> helpful if the DPL delegated to the team the authority over its own
> composition, explicitly reserving th
]] Charles Plessy
> Le Thu, Dec 05, 2013 at 01:35:38AM +, Ian Jackson a écrit :
> >
> > But the main point here is that the team should normally be able to
> > manage its membership directly. That's how these things have often
> > been done (sometimes with no explicit DPL rubber stamp, even
On Wed, Dec 04, 2013 at 11:02:50PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > 3) I was a bit surprised to see Martin's announcement that Hector
> > was now a member of DSA, and his request to update the DSA delegation.
> > The usual process is that the appointement of delegates is usually
> > discussed betwee
Le Thu, Dec 05, 2013 at 01:35:38AM +, Ian Jackson a écrit :
>
> But the main point here is that the team should normally be able to
> manage its membership directly. That's how these things have often
> been done (sometimes with no explicit DPL rubber stamp, even).
I think that we need both.
Paul Tagliamonte writes ("Re: Please update the DSA delegation"):
> I think the only "legal" way to do this would be to delegate a developer
> on that team the ability to re-delegate members of a team (e.g. you
> can't delegate the team, you'd have to d
On Thu, Dec 05, 2013 at 01:15:58AM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> [...]
> For a team which is functioning well, it would be
> helpful if the DPL delegated to the team the authority over its own
> composition, explicitly reserving the right to intervene.
> [...]
If I remember my Debian Constitution co
Joerg Jaspert writes ("Re: Please update the DSA delegation"):
> [Lucas:]
> > 3) I was a bit surprised to see Martin's announcement that Hector
> > was now a member of DSA, and his request to update the DSA delegation.
> > The usual process is that the
]] Martin Zobel-Helas
Welcome to the team, Héctor!
> - Maintaining the central user (LDAP) database listing all the Debian
> developers. This includes:
I don't think the delegation should specify the technology for handling
user accounts. If we want to switch to another technology, that
shoul
>> Now, I have no idea how that private discussion looks like, so I can
>> only base my observation on what I see of DSAs works and the old
>> delegation text. Which doesn't look like the role really changed? May
>> I ask what I miss?
> Over the last months, I was contacted by DDs about several i
On 04/12/13 at 14:58 +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> Hi
>
> >>I am pleased to announce that DSA has promoted Héctor Orón
> >>Martínez to a
> >>full member of the team.
> >>Please update the delegation for the Debian System Administrators
> >>accordingly.
> >I'd rather wait until we see where our cur
Hi
I am pleased to announce that DSA has promoted Héctor Orón Martínez
to a
full member of the team.
Please update the delegation for the Debian System Administrators
accordingly.
I'd rather wait until we see where our current (private) conversation
is
going, as the job description could be u
On 02/12/13 at 22:11 +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
> Hi Lucas,
>
> I am pleased to announce that DSA has promoted Héctor Orón Martínez to a
> full member of the team.
>
> Please update the delegation for the Debian System Administrators
> accordingly.
Hi,
I'd rather wait until we see where o
Hi Lucas,
I am pleased to announce that DSA has promoted Héctor Orón Martínez to a
full member of the team.
Please update the delegation for the Debian System Administrators
accordingly.
Here's a proposed text for this delegation:
[Text taken from old delegation at
https://lists.debian.org/deb
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