Re: Member distributions and popularity

2008-11-20 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008, Ean Schuessler wrote: "Debian Pure Blends" are definitely part of the picture. It would be really great if we promoted Debian Pure Blends on the "Getting Debian" page. Sure. I'm not sure if we want to say that *only* Debian Pure Blends would be promoted by us. No def

Re: Member distributions and popularity

2008-11-20 Thread Ean Schuessler
- "Florian Weimer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't know. Paid membership by companies seems to be an integral > part of what Eclipse is doing in this area. No, I'm not talking about charging. We aren't interested in money, we are interested in co-promoting those distributions who view

Re: Member distributions and popularity

2008-11-20 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:40:02AM -0600, Ean Schuessler wrote: >"Debian Pure Blends" are definitely part of the picture. It would be >really great if we promoted Debian Pure Blends on the "Getting Debian" >page. I'm not sure if we want to say that *

Re: Member distributions and popularity

2008-11-20 Thread Florian Weimer
* Noah Meyerhans: > When Ean suggested borrowing ideas from Eclipse, I don't think he meant > charge people to be Debian derivatives (or did you interpret it some > other way?) I don't know. Paid membership by companies seems to be an integral part of what Eclipse is doing in this area. -- To

Re: Member distributions and popularity

2008-11-20 Thread Ean Schuessler
- "Andreas Tille" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I do not think that Ean is talking about Debian Pure Blends because the > most important feature of a Blend is that it is actually NO derivative. > (That's why we call them now not CDD any more because this very frequently > remained unclear for p

Re: Member distributions and popularity

2008-11-20 Thread Ean Schuessler
- "Sven Luther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What about also listing in the same area, but under a different header, > those distros which are debian based, but don't follow the above rule ? > This would allow us to put more visibility on the fact that those > distros are debian derivatives to

Re: Member distributions and popularity

2008-11-20 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008, Matt Arnold wrote: 1. In some respects you're talking about Pure Blends/CDDs/Whatever the heck we call them now ;) I do not think that Ean is talking about Debian Pure Blends because the most important feature of a Blend is that it is actually NO derivative. (That's why

Re: Member distributions and popularity

2008-11-20 Thread Martin Schulze
Ean Schuessler wrote: > > I started it off a long time ago although I don't have the time to > > maintain it. Of course, there's lots of room for improvement there. > > Right. I think one of the first areas for improvement would be making the > page easier to find! The only thing I can see on www

Re: Member distributions and popularity

2008-11-19 Thread rich...@jansen IT
Ean Schuessler wrote: > In return for these considerations they would get their fancy new > dist promoted on our world famous web site. These dists can take care > of all kinds of specialized markets that we don't explicitly cater > to. Right, and while catering these markets they'll be promoting D

Re: Member distributions and popularity

2008-11-19 Thread Matt Arnold
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ean Schuessler wrote: > - "Javier Fernandez-Sanguino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> You mean something like this: >> http://www.debian.org/misc/children-distros > > Yes! > >> I started it off a long time ago although I don't have the time to

Re: Member distributions and popularity

2008-11-19 Thread Ean Schuessler
- "Javier Fernandez-Sanguino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You mean something like this: > http://www.debian.org/misc/children-distros Yes! > I started it off a long time ago although I don't have the time to > maintain it. Of course, there's lots of room for improvement there. Right. I th

Re: Member distributions and popularity

2008-11-19 Thread Javier Fernandez-Sanguino
2008/11/20 Ean Schuessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > - "Noah Meyerhans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> When Ean suggested borrowing ideas from Eclipse, I don't think he meant >> charge people to be Debian derivatives (or did you interpret it some >> other way?) > > Right. I'm more suggesting that

Re: Member distributions and popularity

2008-11-19 Thread Ean Schuessler
- "Noah Meyerhans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When Ean suggested borrowing ideas from Eclipse, I don't think he meant > charge people to be Debian derivatives (or did you interpret it some > other way?) Right. I'm more suggesting that we provide an "official derivatives" page in a prom

Re: Member distributions and popularity

2008-11-19 Thread Noah Meyerhans
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 11:25:38PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > > This is how the Eclipse project works with their derivatives. Maybe > > we can borrow some ideas from them? > > > > http://www.eclipse.org/membership/special_programs/member-downloads-program.php > > I think you missed this part:

Re: Member distributions and popularity

2008-11-19 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Martin Schulze said: > Err? What exactly are you proposing? I think he's saying we should be more like Java, so that we can run on no platforms at all, and this is expected behavior. Right now, people actually expect Debian to work on their hardware. If we could par

Re: Member distributions and popularity

2008-11-19 Thread Florian Weimer
* Ean Schuessler: > This is how the Eclipse project works with their derivatives. Maybe > we can borrow some ideas from them? > > http://www.eclipse.org/membership/special_programs/member-downloads-program.php I think you missed this part: | * Be an Eclipse member company This costs at least US

Re: Member distributions and popularity

2008-11-19 Thread Martin Schulze
Ean Schuessler wrote: > Hi. > > As everyone is aware, there has been plenty of debate about how Debian is > losing popularity. At the same time, the overall number of .deb packages > installed in the world is just going up and up and up. The "problem" is that > these .debs are often installed b

Member distributions and popularity

2008-11-19 Thread Ean Schuessler
Hi. As everyone is aware, there has been plenty of debate about how Debian is losing popularity. At the same time, the overall number of .deb packages installed in the world is just going up and up and up. The "problem" is that these .debs are often installed by a Debian derivative distribution